Friday, August 22, 2014

Iraq, the Ukraine, and the faith


  • More war in Iraq because of the Foley murder would only fuel ISIS. The stirring of the emotions works: part of me wants to go in, "bomb them into the Stone Age" as General LeMay said of going into Vietnam to win, and recreate the place in the best of America's image as the neocons preached. Not just because of Mr. Foley (RIP) but, especially for Catholics, the Mohammedans and their gutter religion (Eastern Christian heresy?) wiping out one of the oldest parts of the church family, the Chaldean Catholics and their smaller Nestorian parent, in their homeland. (Actually, the Nestorian Church, the patriarch, is now based in Illinois, the only Eastern church to make such a change.) Christian martyrs. But you need memory and perspective; the powers that be, including the neocons, who are really liberals (Trotskyites), and including the media, don't want you to have those or don't care. Not simply the sentiment(ality) about nonviolence that the dominant religion in the West, the Christian heresy of secular humanism, preaches when it's convenient (trying to disarm conservative actual Christians). No, it's because "we" (the neocons) CREATED al-Qaeda, ISIS, etc. through our own stupidity. Iraq was a secular country, a government of BAD Muslims, lapsed Muslims. The Baath Party was co-founded by a Christian with the radical notion that states such as Iraq should work for the benefit of, get this, the Iraqis, not the Americans, the British, et al. We've overthrown Arabs' and Persians' governments, such as Saddam Hussein's for no good reason, and helped the European and American Israelis drive their Arab brothers out of their homes in Palestine. THAT'S why they hate us, more than Mohammed and NOT "they hate our freedom" bullsh*t.
  • Activists paint Moscow's "Stalin Tower" with the Ukraine's colors. Sure, it makes the Ukrainians feel good but that's going too far. This is Russia, not the Ukraine. I have no problem with the new Ukraine and hope it becomes a typically conservative Slavic state like Russia, but Catholic-friendly because of its strong, small Greek Catholic minority, also arguably the most patriotic Ukrainians as the World War II exile family I knew 30 years ago was. As for the Orthodox myth of Holy Russia: About the 3rd & Final Rome. First, it is completely contrary to Apostolic teaching - "our citizenship is in heaven" - not ROME I, II, or III!! And remember, "kings and empires rise and fall!!" Also, nothing can be final - unless you are presenting a new "millennialist" theory - that Moscow is to be established as the final "empire" leading to the Parousia!! "Rome" in the sense of the state. Also, being Catholic doesn't necessarily mean being Roman as in Roman Rite, even though through a historical accident 98% of official Catholics (vs. estranged Catholics) are Roman Riters. The body of essential beliefs - God, Christ, Trinity, hypostatic union, Mother of God, bishops, Mass, optional images - that IS the faith isn't peculiarly "Roman." The Pope just happens to share in the church's charism of infallibility, in order to defend that universal (for all nations) set of doctrines. And nobody can convince me he has been nothing but a help in defending it. So the Anglican and neo-Orthodox putdown "the Roman Church" - "we're Catholics too" or "WE'RE the real Catholics" - is annoying.

Thursday, August 21, 2014

Christian conscience, and more

  • Conscience. Fr. Robert Hart: The Christian approach to matters of morality cannot be simply due to what is written in the Bible, though it must agree with that and not deviate from it. However, we know that part of the New Covenant is to have the Law of God written on the human heart by the Holy Spirit (Jeremiah 31:31f). That is not the same thing as being merely existential in one's approach.
  • Steve Sailer: A funny thing about Attorney General Eric Holder is that he comes from a long line of mulatto Barbadians and was carefully raised in a West Indian bubble in New York, almost as isolated from African-American culture as his boss was at Punahou prep school.
  • What is a life coach? It strikes me as a collection of random anecdotes and "follow me" incidents. It seems to inhabit the Internet marketing blogs and podcasts. As Jay Leno quipped, it's what FRIENDS used to do for you before society fell apart and people became so isolated, atomized, lonely (as happens in cycles, as Face to Face blogs).
  • Rod Dreher: Religious identity and belief of all kinds is unstable today, and there are no foolproof ways to stabilize it. A clue, Watson: It all gets down to the question "thy will be done or my will be done?"; the hallmark of fake religion is that it is all about me, me, me, the special little snowflake me, instead of about God, God, God, the awesome and wonderful God. Dreher's Benedict option: Fr. Gabriel Kostelnyk. Hunkering down honorably: Acting Metropolitan Volodymyr (Sterniuk).
  • I think prayer ropes and the Jesus Prayer as lay practice are a Western myth about Orthodoxy; Orientalism like Suzy Wong and inscrutability. In Orthodoxy, that's NOT the equivalent of the rosary; it's not widespread. It's an almost esoteric monastic thing. Sort of like kabbalah is nothing to do with most Jews. SOME Eastern Catholics use them; "converts," not the ethnics I've known. Doing what they think is very Orthodox. It's a good thing but not a big part of the traditional lay culture.

A negative assessment of Thatcher from the right, and more


  • Rust in peace: the death of the "Iron Lady." I know she was roughly equivalent to our neocons (minuses and all?) and I thought the British didn't like her because she cut away traditional but inefficient social and business arrangements (such as certain jobs) in favor of economic efficiency, hence the snobbish swipes at Cockneys with cash. But this makes me think. Ian Smith is an unsung hero of the 20th century: Rhodesia wasn't South Africa.
  • From Bob Wallace: "Why great husbands are being abandoned." Yuck. A man needs to be a man, and a woman needs to be a woman. Period. The Leif and "Conservative" Blogger Jenny Erikson story, or belonging to a conservative church won't stop your being eatpraydumped/frivorced, niceguy, at least in religious consumerist America. Manosphere 101, even if there's no such thing as alpha dogs. Don't listen to girls: watch what they do.
  • When church is an accessory. The byzcath fiasco reminds me generally of the shortcomings of high churchianity, online and in person, beyond the usual stuff about churches being full of sinful people. (Nothing's changed on that board in nearly 15 years: you can be or become as Eastern as all get out but if you sound, yuck, conservative Catholic, they deny your commitment to the rite.) Sure, I'm still Catholic and high-church. But the lack of character I see in some quarters of that, West and East, reminds me of the difference between religious entertainment and religion. (What's wrong with Anglo-Catholicism, for example.) Partly why I didn't go downtown for High Mass at our cathedral on the feast of the Assumption, as good in itself as that was. At any parish, USA, Pope Benedict's English Novus Ordo contains all things necessary for salvation, and although I don't like the ceremonial, it's good sometimes if you want religion: to stay away from the culture vultures. Cut the crap and just walk to Mass, because it's good for your soul.

    Update: A commenter has nailed what that lack of character is, the difference between real and fake religion. Fake religion is self-centered.

byzcath crackdown

Bound to happen, I guess. I'm suspended.

From here: "And stories like that are partly why I say mother church offers both the unlatinized and latinized forms of the Byzantine Rite. She doesn't force you to hate one to love the other."
That latinized forms of the Byzantine and Oriental Rites exist is contrary to the expressed intent of several popes, most recently HH Benedict.

Serge,

Your continued posting in support of a latinized Byzantine Rite is getting more than tiresome, particularly as it is being directed to an audience that has no love for nor any interest in such - a view that has been expressed thousands of times over the years here.

Enough is enough! The number of threads locked here in recent weeks as a consequence of your echolalic commentary has become unacceptable and I'm getting tired of being polite about it.

Find meaningful topics of discussion in which to engage. If you want to blither incessantly about the spiritual succor that you find in latinized versions of the Eastern and Oriental Rites or to warn naive Latins and ECs/OCs of the dangers to their souls that arise from associating too closely, theologically, spiritually, liturgically, or otherwise with their Orthodox brethren, do so on your nickel - at your blog - or open your own forum with appropriate safeguards to save Catholics and Orthodox from one another - or go to CAF, where such an attitude is more than welcome.

Many years,

Neil
CAF is, I'm fairly sure, Catholic Answers, a conservative Catholic board and thus an object of byzcath's crunchy neo-pseudo-Byzantine contempt. I've hardly been there.

Since I can't send messages via byzcath anymore:

You're beating up a strawman, pal. As I've repeatedly written, I also support the unlatinized form and friendly contacts with the Orthodox (including going to them for Saturday Vespers). I don't support relativism being passed off as the teaching of our church.

What's interesting is the contrast of your attitude to the born Ukrainian Catholics I've known in real life, for example. Such as the pro-life doctor whose clean-shaven, Latin-cassocked priest grandfather was shot to death by Nazis.

So is this disdain what you feel for many born Greek Catholics? "Too dumb" to follow the tradition you know so much better than they?

Reminds me of the white New Age American Indian wannabe who went to an Indian gathering and told a surviving holy man he was doing it all wrong. The Indians set him straight; I doubt he could see straight for a while afterwards.

The board has a lot of potential to educate Catholics and bring Catholics and Orthodox together, but they've thrown the church under the bus to look cool.

The coven at the Cathedral, and more

  • The coven at the Cathedral. If you thought I meant Episcopalianism, you're forgiven. No, it's about the college scam and what's wrong with academe. Mencius Moldbug was the one who started calling it “the Cathedral”... Some have griped about the use of specific religious nomenclature, but it’s hard to argue that contemporary progressivism is anything but a secularized folk religion — and a particularly paranoid and vicious one. It's a Christian heresy.
  • The generational swing away from Boo taxes.
  • Putin right or wrong. I'd welcome a new Constantine but I'm not of the cult of Russia.
  • The ancient Mass in the house churches was not as informal as many think. Right, that's a misconception maybe started by the Protestants and that Catholic scholars fell for about 60 years ago, which led to the space-age stripping down at Vatican II. The Protestants thought the early Christians only had the Verba, not an anaphora, and have been proved wrong. So the ELCA Lutherans have backtracked, writing a Canon-like thing ambiguous enough to not be Catholic. Excuses, excuses. "Facing the people" is a fad based on discredited scholarship.
  • Christian. Tory. Monarchist.

Still more about Greek Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and byzcath


R.A. writes:
It's interesting to see the various ways that Eastern Catholicism attempts to define itself - byzcath being a sort of crazy lay face. My advice would be: read Adam DeVille and turn off your computers. Still, I do understand their confusion. Eastern Catholicism seems torn between its Orthodox heritage and its Latin heritage. I think the future lies in the 'Orthodox in communion with Rome' (OICWR)-lite direction, as strange as that sounds (provided they iron out the silly elements of their theology). Trying to be too cuddly with the Latin Church is just a dead end for them. They can't have their churches fiddled with by Italians. Just doesn't work. Let them vote for popes and turn up for councils. No need for anything else other than a native legate who keeps a desk in Rome.

It's good to see the Ukrainians, for example, self-designate their leader as a Patriarch. No need for Roman approval of that - it's not historical or necessary. As Robert Taft said, any mail from Rome with 'Major Archbishop' should be returned with 'insufficient address'.
Not bad. As I like to say, everything in church polity except the papacy and the episcopate is negotiable. Not doctrine; polity. That's the basis of our dialogue with the Orthodox: all that's on the table.

You're right: "not historical nor necessary." Making the Ukrainian supremo a patriarch is of course no problem; I have none calling him that. I think Josyf (Slipyj) started that.

So by "OicwR lite" you mean liturgically Orthodox (the unlatinized form) AND faithful to Catholic doctrine/the magisterium. The trouble with byzcath, in my experience, is you go there expecting that and instead get the "crazy lay face," the branch theory in Byzantine drag, which is the bad kind of OicwR.

The unlatinized form is both good in itself and a witness to the Orthodox.

Robert Taft is one of those weird voices in Greek Catholicism who hates Catholic traditionalists: both an Eastern snob and liberal. A mentality that's infected byzcath. So they think the conservative Catholics who take refuge at their churches for the liturgy are an embarrassment. They'd rather hang out in academe blowing hot air about women deacons and sounding mystalicious.

I knew things were getting bad when at a talk over 20 years ago I heard a Ukrainian Catholic priest apologize for "sexist language" when quoting something. Being dhimmi under secular humanism.

C.N. writes:
You know, ironically, we are just meant to accept Catholic doctrine. How we end up at it is doesn't quite matter. Just as long as we get the dogma straight. So yes, liturgically Orthodox, or Orthodox Liturgy with a little bit of approved add-ons (I loath it but I see the value), is all good. Just stick to the barebones, or the "framework".
Nobody's telling you or the Orthodox to latinize.

I'm "both/and" as I believe the mind and heart of the church are. The beauty of Catholicism vs. Orthodoxy is it doesn't force you to hate one to love the other. So like the Roman Rite has both the Extraordinary and Ordinary Forms, the Greek Rite has both unlatinized (Orthodox-style) and latinized forms (adopted by choice centuries ago). That said, I hear you about defending Byzantine Rite patrimony. The church agrees!

byzcath at its worst is a kind of intellectual porn for geeks looking for an excuse to leave the church, like a gateway drug (mixed metaphor) to online Orthodoxy.

The relativism there is simpatico with the spirit of the times ("COEXIST"). It resembles the new high-church Episcopalians - credally and liturgically almost conservative enough to please real conservatives, ecclesiologically liberal enough to please liberals. Plus it's small enough for the mainstream not to take seriously; it's cute. And political correctness works for it: unlike Latin Catholicism old and new, it's exotic. But my guess is such a version of "Byzantine church" is not going far and probably will fade away, a niche/hobby religion for some intellectuals, just like the new high-church Episcopalianism.

Regular readers know my pessimistic prognosis for all Greek Catholicism in North America.
It's just that I'm getting quite tired of this issue and it could be settled once and for all if we just stuck to the original principle. All of us. Unfortunately, as you are already aware, some people think they know more than everyone else.
Right, the dissenters who thumb their noses at Rome but don't become Orthodox either are the dangerous know-it-alls, literally giving "Orthodoxy in communion with Rome" a bad name. I still say both/and. Unlatinized and latinized. Catholicism. Not liturgical and/or cultural fetishism.

Šizko jedno (not sure of the spelling) Wszystko jedno as the Poles and Rusyns say: it's all one.
For the peace of the world, for the well-being of the holy churches of God, and for the union of all, let us pray to the Lord: Lord, have mercy.
The priest or deacon leads this litany at Liturgy and some of the offices; great for lay private prayer too.

Pictured: St. Michael's Ukrainian Catholic Church in Baltimore, which I visited 19 years ago. Then, the priest was from Slovakia and married; nice man. His son was active in some Roman Riters' activities in the area; I forget which.

Wednesday, August 20, 2014

The assumptions of the Assumption, and more


Is intellectual freedom hostile to Catholic orthodoxy? Somebody on the left thinks so!


  • Catholic man of the left Daniel Nichols writes: Your economic individualism and embrace of that misogynist punk Roissy are hostile to Catholic orthodoxy. Nice try. If I can't learn from economic individualists and manosphere writers, by that "logic" I can't learn anything from ancient Greek philosophers, Marxist criticism of social problems, or comedies written by Jews. You don't have to buy the ideology to get the benefit. (A wingman is not necessarily a Pope.) Discernment, discrimination, an adult's good judgment. The church is not a micromanaging cult. It teaches the goals (flourishing, charity) but leaves many of the means to the laity's judgment. (Which is what the church including Vatican II means by the freedom/autonomy of the laity and lay apostolates, not laity giving Communion; we're sacerdotalists, not clericalists, and of course the laity are the church's main force in the world, as businessmen, statesmen, husbands, fathers, wives, mothers, etc.) It doesn't say the end justifies the means, but most of the means aren't sins. We can work with kings, dictators, or republics. I've written that liberty is a means, not an end. The answer to the presenting issue with the SSPX, by the way, which is not the old Mass (my Mass) or Latin as popularly reported. Also: "do your own thing" means "every man for himself," which means "just die already." The gospel according to Catholic orthodoxy. So no hostility here; just a classical liberality, open-mindedness, interestingly, different from usually traditionalist Catholic integralism (distributism, third-wayism), not a heresy, but a different school of thought within the church from mine. (We have those: we're not a monolith.)
  • What is ACROD? Asks Dale Crakes regarding this (Father has drunk the Kool-Aid). In short, our own churchmen hurt the church.
  • Can I just say I am sick of people stating that the Church is dying, or that we need to do this or that for it to continue! (And, yes, that is on the right and on the left!) The Church is God's and like God she will continue for ever. She may not look like she did yesterday but she will continue for ever. Why? Because Jesus said so! The church won't disappear from the earth (Jesus' promise to Peter and at the end of Matthew's gospel) but it has died in many places. The New Testament churches are mostly Mohammed's stomping grounds now. As is happening in Iraq. Modernism can do that in a Western country.
  • The case for Anglicanism not being an offshoot of Calvinism. Classic high church: a pretty argument that they stripped away papal accretions and returned to the Bible and the church fathers. The trouble is, once you get rid of the church (infallibility), to serve the state (yes, that means you too, Orthodoxy) or for any other reason, in theory anything goes: the Episcopalians.
  • What to say if the girl calls you gay. A quick lesson from Roissy in alpha snark for repartee.
  • George Takei: funny guy and grown man. “Fans get “offended” from time to time by my posts,” he wrote. “There's hardly is a day where something I put up doesn't engender controversy. Concerned fans, worried the sky may fall, ask me to ‘take it down.’” “So I'm also going to ask them also to take it down - a notch, please.” No malice: I didn't know that wheelchair users have varying levels of mobility.
  • "So what do you do?" I craft customer-driven content to boost your business, creating Web identities for all kinds of small to midsize companies. I have written more than 1,500 commercial sites for clients across the United States and for one overseas client (Belgium). I come from nearly 18 years in newspapers, where I wrote entertaining feature stories, from human interest (from pet psychics to one-legged marathon runners) to theater reviews to covering local schools. Also, my copy-editing skills were an asset to the newsroom.
  • Picture: Abby and Brittany Hensel: the movie. If these lovely, unusual girls got the Hollywood biopic treatment.
  • From Bob Wallace:
    • "Don't hit me; I'm a girl."
    • The late Elliot Rodger was a monster. I know partly what had produced him: feelings of humiliation, which is almost always followed by revenge. Hubris followed by Nemesis. It's been noticed for thousands of years. It's not like I figured it out on my own. Then I also found out he never played, and that's associated with murder, too. Such people get no pleasure out of life. So if you really want to screw up someone, humiliate them and take all the fun and pleasure out of their lives. Elliot never showed any signs of normalcy until a grown man got some girls to tickle him. Play is also associated with creativity, with advancing culture, with discovering, with inventing. Actually, play is those things. Men are overwhelmingly the ones who do the inventing, discovering creating. So, the more boys are prevented from playing (which requires trust and security), the more they are humiliated and made to feel guilty, the less creating and discovering is going to happen, and the more hostility they're going to show. And the more civilization goes backward. It's already pretty degraded as it is. As he explains elsewhere, monsters are simply examples of things gone wrong.
  • Wall Street Journal editorial board member Jason Riley criticized the impending arrival of Attorney General Eric Holder in Ferguson, Missouri on Tuesday, saying Holder was there as part of President Barack Obama’s efforts to play “race-healer-in-chief.” “These looters and rioters do not need to hear from the attorney general that criticism of Obama is race-based,” Riley told host Bret Bauer. “What they need to hear from this Black man in this position — the nation’s leading law enforcement official — is that they need to stay out of trouble with the law. They need to pull up their pants and finish school and take care of their kids. That is the message they need to hear.” Of course he can get away with saying that because he's black.
  • Rich families that lost it all. The Vanderbilts may still be in the Social Register but there's no more trust fund. Pictured: A&P heir Huntington Hartford and some cutie.

Tuesday, August 19, 2014

Why I respect oc.net more than byzcath

orthodoxchristianity.net defends its true-church claim, even though it's wrong. I expected to get swatted for witnessing there, and was (suspended), but it turned out to be due to a technicality. I'm not a martyr: I was posting in the wrong places there! They allow no-holds-barred debate only in one or two folders on the board — very fair. No hard feelings, gentlemen.

byzcath, on the other hand... nothing personal but: "Mad at the Catholics? 'Dox! Both are the true church." If it's nonsectarian as it claims, its domain name shouldn't be byzcath ("Catholic": don't steal our name) nor should it be based at a site called the Byzantine Catholic Church in America (the Ruthenians — maybe Metropolitan William should have a look).
I think this whole "This forum is for Eastern Christians" fashion is on the way out.
Good, because in this relativistic form it stinks. The idea is still valid, as long as the Catholics have the guts to defend the magisterium. (At least restrict the heresy to a clearly marked folder.) I think that board really throws unlatinized Byzantine Catholics under the bus. It encourages them to 'dox, since "both are the true church." So Catholics suspect the unlatinized of being unfaithful. I wonder if that harm to the church is deliberate. Another false church — relativism in Byzantine drag, liturgical fetishists.

With Owen White I agree that the whole "self-hating Western dupes converting to schismatic Orthodoxy" fashion is over.
You know, one of the things about Latinizations is that they aren't all bad. The rosary and stations of the cross are treasures for the entire Church. Just as the Jesus Prayer and icons are too. I think it is a good idea for there to be some cross-pollination in the Church, so different rites can strengthen and inform the others. The east can benefit from more Thomas Aquinas, and the west can benefit from more St. John Damascene.
The church doesn't make you choose one or the other de fide. You can have Roman, unlatinized, or a mix.

Rite is for good order in church; liturgical. The church rightly offers both the unlatinized and latinized forms of the Greek Rite.

That the Jesus Prayer is widespread and popular is, I think, a myth in the West about Orthodoxy.

  • The faith: Christ, the Trinity, hypostatic union, Mother of God, bishops, the Mass/Real Presence, and the option of images. The Catholic Church shares all these with the Orthodox churches, and the Pope has been Christ's good servant, even though he is a sinner, by being that faith's good steward.
  • The $64,000 question is not cultural bullsh*t such as fighting over azymes, Communion under both kinds, or clerical marriage. The church includes many cultures. No, it's this: How, if at all, have ex cathedra and immediate and universal jurisdiction hindered the list of faith essentials (the original meaning and definition of Catholic, "according to the whole") I gave? (Anybody who thinks the Pope micromanages the church doesn't know any Catholics. It never was so. We're not a cult of one man; we are a body of beliefs of which he is only a caretaker — cf. Benedict XVI.)
  • Hatred of the papacy is the tie that unites all of the separated churches. — Joseph de Maistre
  • What is a "traditionalist"? (Not to be confused with the obscure heresy that taught you don't need reason to defend the faith, just tradition without explanation.) Speaking for this one, the old Mass is better and the church was better off before Vatican II, not a problem since the council didn't define any doctrine. And anyway, councils can't undo our doctrine. (Neither can the Pope.) That covers just about everybody in our camp. Me: The problem is not the council; the liberal interpretation of it is. Francis is our Pope. Because I understand the teachings of the church, I don't need alternative theories of who if anyone is the Pope. It's about the church, not the man.
  • Are images required, as in de fide? I say no. Online Orthodox have claimed the seventh ecumenical council teaches they are. That sounds wrong. The church includes rites with no images (Nestorian), a rite where they're optional (Roman), and rites that require them (Byzantine, Coptic, Ethiopian). All you have to believe is that your brethren using them aren't heretics for so doing. My guess is if that council said to use images, it's like Trent saying the Mass would remain in Latin. Just a rule, not de fide. Like the Russians requiring the services to be in Slavonic or the Greeks medieval Greek.
  • Wishing the unlatinized (Julian calendar) a happy feast of the Transfiguration (Преображение).

Getting the babes but not the babies, and more

  • Getting the babes but not the babies.
  • Satire as news. The mainline IS a self-parody.
  • The Ice Bucket Challenge: the untold story. Secular charities these days are velvet gloves with a hook in them.
  • One of the most terrible tragedies of the Catholic Church’s sexual abuse scandals is that it granted something like Warren’s Great Alibi to the Catholic left, the Christian left and other enemies of the Gospel. Another lie in the narrative. Actually, CONSERVATIVE Catholics blew the whistle on the abuse; the LIBERAL clergy told them to buzz off. This was back when the left was almost OK with sex with the underage.

Monday, August 18, 2014

RIP Bishop Børre Knudsen, and Catholic/Orthodox threads

  • Norway's defender of life Børre Knudsen dead at 76. Lutheran bishop. Well done, good and faithful servant. Bishop Knudsen was known throughout Norway and beyond for his gentle demeanor but uncompromising struggle against legalized abortion, beginning when the Norwegian law was adopted in 1978. Protesting the law, he refused to carry out government duties assigned to state church pastors, such as keeping official records, and refused his salary, but continued his pastoral service to his congregation. This protest was modeled after the Church’s resistance against the World War II Nazi occupation of Norway. When the occupation government attempted to transform the Church along their lines and brainwash children as was then being done in Germany, the bishops wrote a Confession known as “The Church’s Foundation” (Kirkens Grunn). This confessed that the Church is bound to God’s Word, that Word and Sacrament cannot be reshaped by the government, and that parents must resist government efforts to pervert their children’s faith. Knudsen continued to serve his parish despite government efforts to remove him, until the Norwegian Supreme Court ruled against him in 1983. He was not, however, defrocked at that time and continued his ministry in a valgmenighet, a Norwegian form of congregation nominally within the state church, but independent of its bishops. On Easter Day 1991, Knudsen and several other pastors formed the Strandebarm Deanery (Prosti), also called the “Norwegian Church in Exile.” The Deanery viewed itself as continuing the historic faith and practice of the Norwegian Church, but outside the control of the government and the government-appointed bishops. It held to confessional Lutheran positions, and thus opposed the state church, on such matters as abortion, homosexuality, and ordination of women. Knudsen was consecrated bishop for the Deanery in 1997, and this led to his being defrocked in 2001. He continued serving in the Deanery until 2011, when he retired for health reasons. Bishop Knudsen led an increasingly controversial series of protest actions in defense of the unborn as long as his health permitted. He was the object of much hatred and abuse by militant abortion supporters. He maintained a gentle but steadfast attitude in the face of much persecution. His family, especially his children, were also targeted for persecution.
  • Apostolic succession.
  • Parishes: to be ethnic or not to be ethnic? The tension between particularity and universality is part of small-o orthodox ecclesiology.
  • When one of the other side's saints has left the church. Classic byzcath reaction. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site ... are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. Then it shouldn't be byzCATH. A spinoff thread. P.S. I was being sincere to Mr. Vernoski, "Administrator"; making peace.

Millennial sociopathy, race realism, and more

  • How to deal with the brainwashed. On the sociopathy of the millennials. This Lord of the Flies stuff (perennial fallen human nature, not unique) proves their politically correct niceness is false anyway. You get the feeling they'd go along with a pogrom or eugenic culling program as long as they still had their Xboxes and Comic Con.
  • Race realism, liberal and otherwise. To be clear, and fair: group differences in book smarts, street/social smarts, different kinds of athletic talent, etc. are "on average," not "true of all members," so don't write the law based on race, including no attempted government solutions. No bans, no quotas. Neither Jim Crow nor the Great Society. That said, it's fun to watch what liberals do vs. what they say. Once the swipple and his sweetie have their planned child, off to the white neighborhood they go.
  • Notes on Ferguson.
  • Vive la différence. Women are biologically indispensible. Men are culturally indispensible.
  • Orthodoxy on my brain? Good blog box-office (you love to read it; I like to write it) and it's not regret or guilt over leaving; sorry to disappoint some of you. It's because it's the one kind of Christianity apart from the official church that matters, pointing to the truth (the way, and the life). My first traditional Catholic liturgy was Ukrainian; I've read another say he came to Catholic traditionalism through Orthodoxy. The schism hurts me so much because, especially for traditionalists, they are an estranged part of us, so their anti-us mentality (as has been pointed out, fomented by satraps, tsars, and commissars, their only reason for their separation from us) is having part of our own family turn on us. And it's not theoretical for me, having gotten to know so many of them.
  • Did one bad movie ruin Hollywood? I've never seen it. Entertaining idea. More interesting is that the young liberals (read, mostly white) who write this stuff ("hoping this socially aware joke making fun of white conservatives gets that cute chick to like me, and you know I'm cool because I cuss a lot") inadvertently admit that, globally, on average...

Sunday, August 17, 2014

A disturbing problem in the church, and more


  • Mass: Cum clamarem ad Dominum, exaudivit vocem meam. The parable of the publican and the Pharisee.
  • A disturbing problem in the church. Looks like our thurible broke! Also, our master of ceremonies seems to have been elsewhere today. So when I walked in, it looked like Low Mass but sounded like our usual Sung Mass, a mix that is an option. Our sanctuary crew improvised: as much of the Sung Mass's allowed ceremonial (modified from High Mass - actually only allowed by indult at Sung Mass) as possible. So we got an express-line Sung Mass and coffee hour. Good job.
  • I think the terms "Solemn Mass" and "Solemn High Mass" are Americanisms; my Mass is listed on the parish website as "High Mass." I've heard that before for a Sung Mass: here in the States.
  • Witnessing for the Lord: New thread on oc.net.
  • Good Shepherd Jr. update: David Moyer's Catholic as of today (welcome home!); the rest will be coming in over the next few months. I can't believe I "met" Rosemont a year short of 30 ago and Moyer a year short of 20. Tempus fugit. Glad we're on this journey together.
  • More goodness from Bob Wallace: K-selection, r-selection, and romance. Roissy will tell you that r-selection is a regression, uncivilizing, bad for society. The objection is his online voice seems to teach you how to take advantange of this degeneration, promoting it. Bob: Much of the Manosphere idealizes not-very-bright r-selected "Alphas," ones apparently incapable of love. And they put down "Betas" as chumps - even though they don't understand what they really are. That is, monogamous, K-selected, intelligent, believers in patriarchy and natural hierarchies. Well put, sir.
  • Historically a problem with byzcath, as part of its anti-Westernism and related crypto-liberalism, is even if you practiced, argued for, and defended the unlatinized form of the Byzantine Rite (a valid option), if you questioned the liberal abuses in the Roman Rite, they'd question your commitment to the Byzantine one! Because they are snobs: conservative Catholic refugees are an embarrassment to them. That attitude's a hop, skip, and a jump out of the church.
  • Political anniversary this year: Nationally I have voted only for the Libertarian Party with one abstention (staying home) for 10 years. Before that, one LP presidential vote, for André Marrou in '92; the rest Republican (the first for Reagan). Such is American civic religion, the myth of the two parties (Punch and Judy as I call them), that it felt almost like leaving the church!
  • Cars: Spotted on Wynnewood Road, Philadelphia. The '50 Bel Air's interior's a shell: no seats or door panels.

Internet myths about Eastern and Latin Catholics, and more

  • From Bob Wallace:
  • "The time has come for us to say sayonara." Did you know you can disconnect from someone on LinkedIn? I just did, from the millennial literally responsible for this outrage.
  • The incredible shrinking hibu, or whatever they're calling themselves now. The Cedar Rapids main office just laid off some of its core workforce, from the phone book; rumor has it the King of Prussia office is consolidating from four to two floors.
  • Mater Ecclesiae: The Little Church That Could.
  • Catholic vs. Orthodox: Finish that thought! This flamewar's suspended right now so here goes. A convert, naturally, posted a bunch of pictures of Roman Rite clergy giving fascist salutes. "Catholic = Nazi." Is that the best you can do? Is it any better than "Orthodox=satrap" or "Muslim=Pre-Nicene Orthodox"? Stupid arguments deserve stupid responses. Three thoughts. The church is apolitical: we can work with monarchies, dictatorships, or republics. So "fascist" is not a dirty word. Your side welcomed its versions of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco too: for example, Codreanu and the Iron Guard in Romania. Our making a deal with Mussolini (resolving the dispute with the Pope over the taking of the Papal States when creating Italy) and working with Franco didn't tear apart the body of Christ; your satraps, tsars, and Comrade First Secretaries did, deliberately; they divided Christendom to aggrandize themselves. By the way, "St. Gorazd the Neo-Martyr" in Czechoslovakia was a Modernist ex-Catholic priest. You can keep him.
  • Stealth schismatics and dumb Romans: Internet myths about Eastern Catholics and about us. In my experience there is much more anti-Western bigotry in Eastern circles than the reverse.
    Some of the Eastern "Catholics" I know don't like the Catholic title: they prefer Orthodox and reject the supremacy of the Pope and I'm told this common among their circles.
    It's not common among Eastern Catholics. Only a few, usually not ethnic and usually on the Internet, on their way out of the church into Orthodoxy. The first Eastern Christians I knew well were Ukrainian Catholics who moved here after World War II so they got the beginning of the Soviet persecution and forced union of their church with the Russian Orthodox. So they would let you call them Ukrainian Catholics or even Roman Catholics but not Orthodox.
    The filioque concession has always bothered me. The reason they don't want to say it is that they don't believe it. Isn't that a problem?
    I have no problem with the filioque concession (the Greek Catholics are NOT required by their charters of union with Rome to add the filioque) because I think I understand it. It's surprising because it LOOKS like a doctrinal concession but it's not.

    I'm all for both the unlatinized (Orthodox-style) and old latinized forms of Greek Catholicism. I've rarely encountered a bad trad attitude to either. I've run across plenty of foul attitude online from folks who've recently discovered Byzantium, both non-ethnic Greek Catholics and Orthodox converts. In the case of the foul attitude, both cases of self-hating Western converts. There are some nasty Orthodox ethnics too; most are nice in person.
    You've NEVER run into a trad who had a superiority complex against the East???
    Hardly ever. Maybe that happened before Vatican II but after that beatdown we must have come to our senses. My first traditional Catholic liturgy was Ukrainian. So many traditionalists now realize Eastern Catholics are potential natural allies and so many have taken refuge among them. Council or no council, I believe some born Roman Riters are called to the East; Metropolitan Andrew (Sheptytsky), a Polish count who became the head of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, should be their patron saint.

Whoop as a group, ladies

Female psychology explained by Arbiter at Roissy's:
Career-focused women are having ‘egg-freezing’ parties – NY Post

“I don’t have a significant other . . . but I hope to one day and have kids,” said attendee, Donna Kanze, 35, of Manhattan, who has a career in the technology sector. She’s already signed up for egg freezing.
Of course it has to be parties. Celebrate together like a herd and put it on the Internet. Don’t forget the selfies. And when you work out, you should work out in groups.

Women act this way because women have always survived through other people. A woman had to win the approval of other women in the tribe, because children were best raised with each other’s help, and a woman needed the other women to like her so they would help her children. She also had to please her mother-in-law, who ran the household, and her husband, who brought home the food and protected her. Her day was very much about winning the approval of other people.

It is also the reason why they on average use a larger vocabulary in a day than men. Communication, connection, affirmation of belonging. No wonder that women like living in large cities more than men do, and dislike living in the country more. No wonder that they are more orthodox, no matter what the reigning orthodoxy is: Christianity, Islam, Communism, nationalism, secularism. (When people talk about how women are “oppressed” by religion in the Gulf, they are unaware of the fact that the women are generally more religious than the men.) The group means survival.

And if you are a leftist, your whole ideology is about organizing in a group in order to attack and take value from other people, while the Right’s ideology is about building value. So “career-focused” New York women will be among the most group-obsessed women in the Western world.

When EggBanxx’s marketing director Leahjane Lavin, 34, announced that she just underwent two cycles of egg freezing herself, the crowed whooped with approval.
But of course they did. Whoop as a group, ladies.

"Gatsby": No, but I saw the book


Recently picked up some culture by seeing Baz Luhrmann's The Great Gatsby.

+: Can't really go wrong with the book; Leo DiCaprio, whose work I've seen I've liked (he's the Robert Redford of the '90s-'10s); beautiful women; the depiction of zany excess suggesting The Wolf of Wall Street; and period details, from the hats and cars to the Mid-Atlantic (slightly English) upper-class American voice, old sport.

-: Luhrmann's anachronistic music that worked in Moulin Rouge! and gimmicky computer effects are annoying here. He didn't need them.

Gatsby (where part of the idea for Don Draper may have come from): great romantic or try-hard sap bound to lose the girl? ("The Great Gatsby was a beta orbiter who got the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock, and look what happened to him!") Fitzgerald doesn't give pat answers. My guess is the romanticism wouldn't have stood a chance if he hadn't made the money and gotten the resulting power.

The fun and the egocentrism: the '20s was the peak of Anglo-Catholicism.

Cars: Riverside, NJ



'58 Olds Super 88. So many beautifully similar designs that year.


'60 Impala. It's OK, baby; you'll be on the road again soon. The man at the shop says this is only surface rust; all she needs are to be cleaned up and be put back together with a few replacement parts.


Riverside is a Portuguese enclave. If you know Spanish, it's easy to read; from a distance it sounds like French but up close you can understand it.


This was the town's main factory, for watch cases. Part of one floor's the town museum where regrettably you're asked not to share pictures online. It has good exhibits about St. Casimir's School, the high school, veterans, the old town hospital, and local and NJ cops.


Somebody else has the '57 World Series and other baseball on reel.

Saturday, August 16, 2014

Thou shalt now covet, and what's wrong with online Orthodoxy


  • Thou shalt now covet. Insight into egalitarianism from Fr. Robert Hart.
  • From Bob Wallace: Women's besetting sins are pride and envy. The way to their hearts is not to feed their fallen egos (contra beta orbiters and white knights: the pedestal) but to nicely put them in their place. (Feminists lie: most men rightly hate abuse of women.) They love a man in charge.
  • Churches' alleged false-flag operations.
  • Why Orthodox apologetics are annoying. Pride: the online noise is mostly self-hating Western converts (Need an up? Go exotic! Like wiggers and folks who turn Muslim), geeks who think they're too good for us (living in their heads - arguably onlinodoxy is autistic, plus maybe lots of modern "self-esteem" and the larger culture's anti-Catholicism and snobbery: shopping at Whole Foods for your obscure fasts is cooler than going to Mass), so they build complicated, plausible historical arguments. (Like churchmen under Henry VIII and Elizabeth I did.) Also-rans in the polemic fest: xenophobes in or from other countries (often the ethnics are nice in person; very Catholic-like with nothing to prove as they know who they are), and Americans of Slavic descent who were treated horribly by our churchmen, nothing to do with our teachings. The thing with that is the church CAN make rules such as imposing priestly celibacy on Eastern churches in Western countries. We shouldn't! Priestly celibacy, changing to the Eastern rule (a married man can become a priest but a priest can't marry), is on the table. Instead of making up or importing a new community, I'd rather just embrace the real community that's (on the ropes, but still) here (the old Mass, which is better, is a part of that, nay, the heart of that, not a sect), go to Mass, and throw myself on the mercy and love of God. Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy upon us. (That image, on a Slavic Easter egg, is at my desk.) Nothing wrong with the Greek Catholic option either, unlatinized (liturgically Orthodox) and latinized.
  • Magisterially as well as sacramentally, Orthodoxy = the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association.
  • From Takimag:
  • Say a Hail Mary for Elvis. "No one who sings of her rosary should be forgotten in death."
  • St. Rocco. Lodato sempre sia il bel Nome di Gesù e di Maria.

Friday, August 15, 2014

Assumption Mass here



Went to the early Low Mass at the territorial parish, Novus Ordo of course. Great news: our cathedral hosted an evening Tridentine High Mass, Mater Ecclesiae's Assumption thing. But I stuck close to home. Highway and city driving after eight hours at work would have been too much: all that stress finding a parking space downtown as every other local official-church traditionalist is jockeying for the same spots (an occasion of sin!). I love our Mass as you know. But still.

So I walked to Mass first thing, in my town, before work. Just like people did 50 years ago.

The late-Victorian church hasn't been wreckovated, thank God (it still has its reredos with the tabernacle front and center, and its disused altar rail, and the sedilia are off to the epistle side, not in that awful "courtroom" configuration on the predella), but the churchmanship is still American Catholic low, as explained by the great Thomas Day: deep cultural roots in Low Mass junked up with hymns, mixed with an anti-tradition of 40 years' standing. Old ladies doing things in the sanctuary, one in an alb, another lighting the altar candles with one of those electric grill lighters. A squad of "Eucharistic ministers." A good-natured priest with zero liturgical sense. Obviously I don't want a steady diet of that.

That said:

Every. Word. In. The. Text. Is. True.

Pope Benedict the Great fixed the real problems. It IS a Mass. So when the ladies in the EM squad proceeded down the nave to the back of the church, I bowed my head as if it were a Corpus Christi procession.

A congregation of about 30, older folks.

I said the Gloria and the Creed from the 1928 Book of Common Prayer/Anglican Missal from memory.

Assumpta est Maria in caelum.

Quotes and conversations on religion: going for broke in an Orthodox/Catholic fight

  • A question of incense: what is it that High-Church Anglicans do differently from Catholics that seems to make the incense so ummmmmmmmm what's the word?? Never noticed a difference in the smell of the incense, just a difference in the culture. The ad-hoc, congregational nature of high-church Anglicanism, sort of a club mentality, successfully resisting (hooray) the changes from Vatican II, made it fun. I imagine it's still much the same that way for Affirming Catholics, even though they're more liberal than Catholicism on some points and more conservative than mainstream Catholics on others (liturgically they still resemble me). Romans tend to give it the token wave with a small thurible in a Basilica; Anglo-Catholics tend to use "big bertha" in a church the size of a walk-in closet. Heh heh. "Romans." (I get it: "We're Catholics too.") Civis Romanus sum.
  • “@RorateCaeli: Catholicism is not a super-congregational church where the people grant power to the pastor; it's never been like that.” True, but there is lots of leeway in church polity apart from the papacy and episcopate. Anglican semi-congregationalism enabled Anglo-Catholic parishes to NOT implement the changes after Vatican II, plus it builds strong parish communities, also the Orthodox and Polish National Catholic experience. Reject their errors but learn from these people too. Liberals say that stuff because they're anti-sacerdotal and rebelling against priests who happen to be orthodox. But the women who want to be priests are clericalists, not sacerdotalists, and have you ever run across liberal priests when they're in charge? (Pretty much the story of the church since Vatican II.) Not pretty.
  • Orthodox/Catholic fight: going for broke. Long thread in which I make all the points I make here, in the middle of OC.net. You have been warned. If "the whole Church" is limited to Eastern Europe and the Middle East with a few immigrant and convert outposts in the New World, I think I'll go be a Buddhist instead. They're nicer. There seem to be two kinds of Orthodox arguing here: geeks living in their heads coming up with historical sophistry to defend the schism, and xenophobic ethnics, with crossover. The defensiveness of the East in its claims to be the "true Church" is an example of its weakness. Its inability to recognize that it is a piece of the broader Church - an inability nurtured by sultans and tsars who preferred a divided Christendom to a united one - is not a sign of strength. It is just silly. They have a bunch of popes as saints in their calendars, and even the dreaded St. Augustine is a saint to them - "Blessed Augustine" as he is known. I have a relic of St. Augustine, and another of St. John Neumann. We don't hate the East; their reason to exist is to hate the West.
  • The idea of a conflict between "Dormition" and "Assumption" is schismatic nonsense from the Orthodox, ironic since we got the story, assumption and all, in a much more flowery form from the East. Pius XII left it open: Catholics can believe she died but don't have to.
  • From the rector of a formerly Anglo-Papalist parish that retains those trappings, including today's feast: If she imitated her Son, then she died. Mariolatry is just round the corner in much of the so-called 'developed' doctrine, East and West. True enough, Father, about popular piety but not doctrine. Good thing the church is indefectible to keep us from going round the bend. But riddle me this, Batman: so, Catholic Mariology means "development" is bad (echoing the Orthodox and the classic Anglicans) but women's ordination and same-sex marriage are "development," no? So what's the difference?
  • The feast of the Assumption is when the United States got its first Catholic bishop. The anniversary of the consecration of John Carroll. There was once a kind of high-church Episcopalian who had a kind of true-church claim, mirroring the state church in England: I remember from my Anglican days that there was a Feast of the Bestowal of the American Episcopate in the ECUSA calendar, referring of course to Samuel Seabury, not Carroll. I remember how we (that is, the people I associated with) implicity - and sometimes explicitly! - behaved as if the Episcopal House of Bishops were the real, honest to God, truly, true "American Episcopate" whereas the "Roman" hierarchy constituted a bunch of unwelcome interlopers. Of course, I do not blame Bishop Seabury for this mentality one bit - only some of his more obnoxious spiritual descendants (mea culpa!), of which I found one 19th-century choice (better yet, bonkers) specimen from the Project Canterbury website for your amusement. Cue tiny violins and sad trombones. The other reason they call us "the Romans." I wonder if Bolles is an ancestor of Richard Bolles, the Episcopal priest who wrote What Color Is Your Parachute?

Assumption


Thursday, August 14, 2014

Founded on the apostles


  • The church founded on the apostles. I think Catholicism and Orthodoxy agree that the literal church of Rome, the diocese, was founded by the apostles, whether you believe the apostles were bishops or something above bishops. I think Catholicism allows both views! Our difference isn't whether the Pope should exist; Timothy Ware/Metropolitan Kallistos is clear you do think he should - you venerate pre-schism Pope saints as "Popes of Rome." Rather, you object to what you think the papacy has become, a tyrant infringing on local churches' prerogatives. That the apostles were unique in the church, with a unique gift from Jesus and the Holy Spirit, sounds right. We agree that the deposit of faith ended when the last one died. We're not Mormons; we don't believe in progressive revelation. All of our doctrine is just commentary on that deposit of faith.
  • Anglicanism: Sorry, but, if the true, violent history of the English "Reformation" weren't enough - orate pro nobis - Anglicanism's "developments" ("we hold these truths about sexuality to be self-evident" – not to be confused with our development of doctrine; we can't revoke teachings) prove that Cranmer's and Hooker's doctrine, while claiming to be a restoration to the church fathers (and I respect people who think that - the kind of convert to Orthodoxy I do; the Rev. Louis Tarsitano left the church but I respected him - he had integrity), is man-made and falls like a house of cards to modernity. That is, once you make the church fallible (as the Articles of Religion do), even while proclaiming the supremacy of scripture, anything goes, because it's you interpreting scripture, not the church anymore. Semi-congregationalism can work, but the doctrine's flawed.

When the Ukrainian-Canadians bought into multiculturalism, and more


  • From Ex-Army: Multiculturalism in Canada. How a traditional Catholic community, the Ukrainians, bought into it, undermining the things that made Canada a good home for them. Namely, British culture (rule of law, etc.). Just a cranky WASP who doesn't like non-WASPs? And the Ukes didn't invent multiculturalism; they bought into a WASP invention. In any event, he's onto something. How trying to save your culture, a good thing, when done the wrong way is a dead end politically as well as spiritually (schism).
  • There is no such thing as an independent woman.
  • The significance of Little Boy and Fat Man. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are two examples among many of the Allies’ ideology’s brutality. Resist the urge to defend them, and resist likewise the urge to apologize for them — dissociate from the imperial government that did them. Period. I haven't voted mainstream nationally since 2000 so I guess I'm fairly dissociated.

Wednesday, August 13, 2014

Theories about Robin Williams, and Catholic vs. Orthodox





  • Two theories about Robin Williams.
    • Demonic? Maybe. What a creepy pile of crap this article is. The author seems to have no grasp of the word "demon" used metaphorically. You win some; you lose some. Considering the great evil that just happened, I wasn't going to rule out the demonic including a Faustian bargain.
    • Roissy: "Robin Williams will return to TV after nearly three decades – because two divorces have left him short of cash." Looks like a clue, Watson.
  • Clips from favorites: His grown-up standup I saw in person, which started it all, early Mork when he was edgier and less cute ("Happy Days" was dreck except its first year, when it was great: see below), The Fisher King, and Awakenings. Another great one self-destructs.
  • byzcath: going round and round and round.
  • Liturgy facing the people... in a Greek Orthodox church.
  • That an acceptance of the union of the Churches does not lead to the destruction of our traditions, but to peace in Christ, because the Churches agree in their understanding of doctrine. That's it!
  • Restore the sense of the sacred. Standard high-churchifying, strict-constructionist Vatican II interpretation. "Reform of the reform." With Pope Benedict's reforms you'd get the effect of being at Mass around 1965. Nice. Except: the Traditional Latin Mass at the Parish of Quo Primum on the corner of Lunatic and Fringe. As I say, Novus Ordo conservatives are our worst enemies in church politics. This guy's brand of high church is a rival, or maybe he sees it that way, and the liberals don't take us seriously. In the '80s, if you suggested these things to these guys, they would have jumped down your throat, defending the council and accusing you of leaving the church. It wasn't until Benedict that you could say these things in the official church.
  • Fraternité Notre Dame. Don't leave the church for a cult, but this seems like an honorable last resort (we're far from that scenario). They believe in the Pope and they're about spirituality and charity, not church politics.
  • How Anglicans and the Chinese schism are alike. This is so perfect, from so many angles. And our own leftoids will not even come close to getting a clue from it. So depressing it’s funny. Canon Reid’s endorsement of Communist China is indeed old news, but nice post. Meanwhile, he has put St. Clement’s “The Episcopal Church Welcomes You” signs back out; it no longer identifies with the Catholic Church. After all, it IS Episcopal. Because of him, the many formerly there who identified with pre-Vatican II Catholicism (it was a refuge when Vatican II made the mother church inhospitable) are now Catholic (again), at the old German church, Holy Trinity, downtown. The Episcopalians got control of their church back, fair and square, and some wandering souls have come home to the church. Guess it’s a win-win.
  • Those darn kids. This day turned out like a Millennial with massive student-loan debt and a master's in sociology: it totally failed to launch. Then again the millennials who DO launch can be insufferable: running the office like their high-school clique and using corporate PC niceness as a weapon against the uncool kids or no-longer-kids. Lived through that a year ago. Lord of the Flies.


Milwaukee, 1962: "Get a haircut!"

You can't have a culture of life if you have no culture at all


  • Anthony Esolen hits two out of the park:
  • From Bob Wallace:
    • The boys' clubhouse is too hard for them. The problem is women's natures tell them one thing (Sarah Palin is a fulfilled thus happy woman, attractive with husband and family, so liberal society cuts her down by calling her stupid) and modernity another, making them crazy.
    • Girl game, better known as joie de vivre.
  • From Takimag: Leveling the playing field with explosives. Against egalitarianism, or the irony of "diversity" is it really wants to make everybody the same, either an upper to upper-middle-class white liberal or an obedient helot.
  • An observation about modern society, and quick and "dirty" social-skills coaching from Roissy. I can hear the white knights ("loss of innocence") saying his kind is part of the problem. It's all about the right attitude, based on confidence; a morally neutral tool that's just social skills. He's not writing for natural alphas, who don't need him. A bad approach probably won't get you the girl but doing nothing definitely won't.
    • "What’s the deal with all these bitches who work at 'nonprofits'? 5-10 years ago bitches were all in public relations. Now it’s the nonprofits. What the hell is a nonprofit? Another charitable tax hiding place for rich dudes which allows him to increase power and influence?" Yup. Also, luxury self-actualization. Don’t worry; after the collapse the nonprofits will be wiped from the face of the earth. Fundraising results correlate directly with economic conditions. Working at a nonprofit allows SWPL women to feel good about themselves. But, more germane, nonprofits appeal to women because they are perceived as happy work which avoids the sink-or-swim ladder-climbing hothouse of for-profit industry. Women are constitutionally averse to competition in ways that men aren’t. True but they can mercilessly compete with each other.
    • Snobbish so I have a reservation about this one but if you want a hot girl, this will probably work. Let's tone it down to "you don't have to abandon your friends, but on your own, venture out of your comfort zone to one level higher." Stay away from losers. There’ll be a temptation to join their nonjudgmental cliques because they’ll take the pressure off you having to socially perform. Resist it. If you get sucked into a loser social circle, it’ll be ten times harder to infiltrate a winner social circle that’ll grant access to censored hot girls.
    • If your conversational skills are weak, or you’re a natural introvert, cultivate a “laconic rebel” personality. That means, don’t overtalk (to avoid social miscues). Train yourself in the art of the drive-by quip. Once you’ve gotten a fair shake by the winners, you can move on from “laconic rebel” to “aloof asshole who doesn’t care what people think of him.” Then you get the girls.
  • I like the Thomas Merton of The Seven Storey Mountain. After that it was sort of guilt by association, at least: the wrong people liked him; beatnik stuff. I'd like to think he was still more orthodox than they were. Like Catholic gentleman Gene McCarthy. Merton's star seems to have faded a lot in 46 years.
  • Sailing to Byzantium. A learned if morose blogger explains why some educated Catholics like him leave for Orthodoxy. As I put it to him, "Seriously? You now think only Byzantium's the church?" I don't think he's really, in his mind and heart, converted; he's just an understandably wounded and depressed traditional Catholic maybe asking for help. I mean, if you've left, why keep gloomily blogging about the problems in the Latin Church? It seems he's fallen for the temptation of making the perfect the enemy of the good: if you live in your head too much, you start mentally making an idol, a sort of Platonic ideal of the Western liturgy against which all real forms, even the living traditional ones (such as mine), fall short. This happens in convertodoxy too: when ethnic parish life (often very Catholic-like) doesn't meet expectations, you start creating your fantasy church, maybe in an all-convert parish, maybe in a stricter jurisdiction outside of real Orthodoxy, until you burn out and lose your faith. Also a peril for us traditionalists: leaving the church for a cult with its trappings, telling you you're holier than thou; pride. What I didn't expect was the vituperation and contempt that came from some Catholic and Anglican bloggers, who seemed to take my becoming Orthodox as a sort of personal insult. Because Orthodoxy exists to hate the West. So even if you don't mean it as an insult, that's how Western Christians take it. Becoming Orthodox is a self-hating act for a Westerner. Becoming Greek Catholic, either unlatinized or latinized, is not, because you haven't turned your back on the universal church. The difference between the Russian Catholic non-Russians whose religion is all positive, out of love for the rite and culture ("We have a patriarch and bishops! They just happen not to be Catholic now"), and the negativity of the convertodox online ("papism," etc.: the spirit of schism; the "anti-" spirit that made Gerard Bugge come to his senses, among others, including yours truly). Trying to be "liberal" about it, as he is, treating Orthodoxy like a denomination, isn't fair to them: they have a rival true-church claim.

Tuesday, August 12, 2014

The Francis effect: war on official-church trads in New York


The Francis effect: war on conservative Catholics in New York

The sympathetic writer forgot the 1984 indult that began freeing the traditional Mass in the official church. (Also the indult from the beginning allowing older priests to keep the old Mass at least privately, and, if I recall rightly, the Agatha Christie indult in Britain: lovers of high culture tried to keep it going.)

I'm not one of those conservative Catholics falling over themselves to make excuses for Pope Francis, because I look to the church, not the Pope's person (the mistake Novus Ordo conservatives made after the council), so I don't have to, but I like to think he's about putting rules in perspective, as part of a bigger picture of God's love and mercy. Like the Lutherans at their best; the Missouri Synod, a rival true church, is still very close to us (but opposed to us of course).
It is telling how much hostility exists within the Church towards the traditional liturgy, oftentimes by those who were themselves formed by that liturgy.
Well, those people were the ones taken in by the progressivism of the space age. (The innovative, un-nostalgic '50s style I find charming – so modern it's quaint – when the old values including the old religion are in force, as they were then, right before the council.) They thought streamlining the church was a neat idea and think it was an accomplishment. They told us it would convert the Protestants. (How's that working out for youse?) Sometimes they're heretical.
Right. They also fell into a kind of false historicism - the idea that if we could only go back to the way the Mass was celebrated in the days of the Apostles, or St. Justin Martyr, or the very early Church in Rome. But that failed to understand the notion of the development of the liturgy.

But they really didn't go back to the way it was in the early Church in Rome. Instead they ended up innovating and innovating and ... The return to the Early Days and to slough off the Medieval days is a very Protestant notion.
By the way:


Some liturgical-movement priests did Mass facing the people, sometimes to be educational, to teach the laity about the Mass as is; maybe some others had the liberal agenda. Anyway, this reminds me historically of a better version of around 1968, how I experience Pope Benedict's Novus the few times a year I see it. Sound text, despite Bugnini's "ecumenical" omissions.

It's Not About Latin™: it's a beautiful language and has its place as both a template and an international second language for the church, but I'm all for the vernacular (the art of the Book of Common Prayer, not the content or the theology), just to shut up the liberals who make like we have a fetish for a dead language.