Sunday, December 02, 2012

The contraceptive is, in practice, a female hypergamy facilitator

Roissy’s deep conservatism, both about society and the innate, unchangeable natures of the sexes, here. The artificial world of contraception — which, in the only good his pontificate did, Paul VI warned against (proving, in spite of himself, the gates of hell do not prevail against Rome) — is, Roissy agrees, bad for society in the long run. In the non-contraceptive real world, few women were attractive enough to snag a commitment (the natural admission fee for sex) from an alpha male. The ‘sexual revolution’ is paradise for cads and for good-looking women now free to act like them (as the awful show ‘Sex and the City’ cheered on), leaving lots of bitter losers (sort of like the abandonment by cads that traditional society used to warn women about): nice guys, who in the real, non-contraceptive world women directly need as providers, who might have jumped aboard feminism to get more access to women and to get women to like them more (to get more sex), end up... having a lot less sex. (And: feminism + socialism = the nice guys still lose their money, because of taxes and/or lower pay to subsidize company perks for women, to support these women minus any benefits.) Roissy’s main message is that for nice guys, learning the right social skills somewhat equalizes that. Game’s a tool, morally neutral; you can use it to get a wife and keep her happy or to be a player like he says he is. In the natural order, women want (hypergamy) the manliest men of course; the strongest genes and the best providers in theory so their babies survive, thrive and eventually beget more. In the fallen version of that order, that drive’s still there of course but it becomes the sexual market he describes: chicks dig jerks. A smidge of game (walk and talk like an alpha, for whom this stuff comes naturally)’s a good thing. Makes both more men and more women happier, and, if you use it in a Christian way, it would help society as he describes it, too.

Today at Mass again I saw impressive trad families: good-looking couples around their 30s and their four or more kids. Society in general may be a goner but this little corner of the church has a future.

Paul VI was the worst Pope of the 20th century. John XXIII before him, while warm and lovable, wasn’t the cuddly Modernist he’s made out to be. (The real Angelo Roncalli: step up the use of Latin in seminaries; religious orders, don’t ordain homosexuals; and, one story goes, angrily anti-attempted ordination of women, which European Protestants were starting to do.) A tantalizing historical question is if he’d lived longer, would he have stopped the council or changed its course (not letting the liberal Germans hijack it like Paul did)? Maybe under that naturally trad Italian (religion: folkways and the way things have always been done, the way most of the church has operated over most of its history), we would have gotten only a few, good changes (let’s just translate the old services*, and by the way religious liberty’s fine) and the church would have ridden out the storm of the late-’60s cultural revolt much less damaged.

*Which I think lots of people thought the extent of the changes would be. Would that it were so.

18 comments:

  1. CURIOUS - I don't seem to remember Advent Wreaths in my youth. Was this an addition during the VC2 era? Did your church have one going this morning?

    And does anyone else remember how the last and first Sundays of the year's gospel readings seemed to to be extra-scarey during the Cold War?

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  2. My guess is yes, and it did (not lit during our traditional Sung Mass). I've seen an American SSPX church use one. I think they're fine. They fit in.

    Somewhere I read it's of German Lutheran origin.

    I'll bet today's gospel was scary only about a month after the Cuban missile crisis. I thought of the Mayan end-of-the-world prediction. Who knows?

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    1. The fear engendered by the gospel is not so much to warn us of an apocalypse whose subject would make a good disaster movie, but to get us to reform our lives before it is too late . . . i.e., when the "real" apocalypse would happen for us individually if we screw up!

      On that cheery thought . . . a Blessed Advent to you all!

      Jim C.

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  3. I always thought conservatives glomming to Roissy is equivalent to the nice girl hooking up with the bad boy and rationalizing, "Oh, but... but I can change him."

    There are better conservatives out there (as in, morally upright and have better insights) and I can say that trying to act "alpha" has ruined one relationship and killed several chances I had with others.

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    1. He describes reality. What you do with that is up to you. He answers criticism like yours: if, not understanding game, you try to use it, or if you try the wrong kind of game on the wrong kind of girl for that kind, it can backfire. (Calibration. That's why I said a smidge's good.) Or maybe something else killed the relationship and the chances. That and even smooth operators get turned down. Doesn't faze the alphas.

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    2. What is reality and in what "most guys" are or are not interested are separate issues. Homosexuals are not interested in having sex with women. That doesn't mean male-female sexual dynamics don't exist.

      Game played out like a script in that whole Petraeus-Broadwell-Kelley affair, complete with the nice, decent, hardworking, doormat-husbands. And whether you are a player or a husband, the takeaway is the same: women are not loyal to ideas; they are loyal to feelings.

      My married brothers in Christ, may God help us all to keep those feelings stoked!

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  4. Anthony3:45 pm

    At the Traditional Latin Mass (celebrated in the chapel) I attend they don't have an Advent wreath. They do have one at the Novus Ordo Masses (celebrated in the main church) at the same parish. I always thought it was post VII, not that I have an objection to them.

    Ingemar, I also don't understand all the Roissy promotion. His blog is disgusting. I guess I'm just an old fashioned prude. :-)

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    1. Sorry you're stuck in the chapel. Our Mass is at the high altar (eastward-facing but the mensa is pulled out*); about the only thing I wish my parish would do is make all or most of its Masses eastward-facing.

      After Pope Benedict freed up the trad Mass, the earliest Sunday Mass (for 40 years most parishes' slot for the lowest Novus, a non-nonsense mainstay of sound Catholics all these years) was trad Low (nice; like stepping back in time and you have your whole Sunday free afterwards) and the Sung Mass was eastward Novus with fiddleback, biretta, etc., then last year the trad Mass moved up to being the Sung Mass.

      *By the way when the altar's free-standing, as it sometimes is not only in modern(ized) churches but in very old ones, the priest walks all around it to cense it.

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    2. When I was young and oh so mellow :-)) was when the missa normativa was the Mass of Pope St. Pius V as amended through the centuries. No Advent wreath! This is a post V2 innovation, although like some others here, one of the changes that is good . . . i.e., spiritually beneficial . . . or at least no worse than benign IMHO.

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  5. I hope Roissy's message doesn't change, though he personally will inevitably mellow with age. OTOH, I really hope the young men who seem to populate most parishes I've been in will change. I hope they get into weightlifting, buy guns, stop telling women they're better than men, stop believing women can do anything a man can do. I hope they flirt with every female who's not a blood relation, age 18 to 80. I wish especially they'd stop being emotional tampons for women. Men don't have female friends. They have wives/lovers, and moms, sisters, daughters, etc. Female friends are an energy sink for men.

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    1. Yup. I was going to tell Anthony above: sure, Roissy's style turns off the squeamish, but what he calls white-knighting, putting women on a pedestal ('women are better than men'), be it by well-meaning, chivalrous conservative Christian men or their bastard half-brothers, the liberal male feminists, doesn't work for the nice guy trying to get and keep the girl. It's both not true (they're not the better sex, just the reproductively more valuable one) and reeks of desperation. Normal women either are turned off or get bored with it pretty fast, both the conservative and liberal versions of it. Hot girls are used to having lesser men shower them with compliments; yawn. Alphas feel they don't need to do that, which fascinates girls.

      Alphas either don't get 'let's just be friends' shot down or they cut bait when girls they want try that: 'No. I have plenty of friends.' There are many willing girls out there for them, so off they go.

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    2. ". . . emotional tampons for women." ROFLMAO This is the best expression I have heard in a coon's age! *more LOL*

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    3. I learned that expression from the late, infamous comedian Sam Kinison on TV about 25 years ago, when he was talking about the same subject.

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  6. I don't remember any Gospel passage about the gates of hell vis a vis Rome, just the vis a vis the Church. So what's your logic about Paul VI? It seems no more than most other RC traddies version of "cafeteria Catholicism", only traddies don't put any Novus Ordo or Vatican II on their trays.

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  7. "Female friends are an energy sink for men."

    I once heard an exchange which made nonsense of the very notion of male-female Platonic friendships. In a non-classroom talk back in college, a good-hearted but naive beta student asked a female professor about the danger of "ruining a friendship" by trying to start a romantic relationship with a platonic acquaintance. Her answer was succinct and indisputably correct: "You want to get married, right? When you do, your wife, unless she's insane, is never going to allow you to have other women as casual friends. One way or another, that friendship is going to end- you might as well end it by trying to turn her into your wife".



    "I hope they get into weightlifting, buy guns, stop telling women they're better than men, stop believing women can do anything a man can do."

    I suspect that getting high-IQ young men involved in competitive academic debate is another good way to keep them from internalizing feminism and becoming "herbs". It's sort of like football for nerdy guys who are either too unathletic or too disinterested for the gridiron, but still crave aggressive competition. For that reason, it tends to provide firsthand refutation of feminist bleating about equality- there's no physical barrier to entry by women, as there is in sports, but teams tend to be overwhelmingly male anyway, as most women lack the requisite aggression and intensive competitive focus. Feminism gets a lot of lip service in the debate world, because most coaches and judges are well to the left of Stalin, but it's only lip-service- when it comes to personal relationships, male debaters are mostly either old-fashioned Don Draper sexists, or self-described "feminists" who use leftist egalitarianism as a convenient cover for their obvious misogyny. On top of that, debate teaches men to instinctively resist conceding any point of contention, no matter how seemingly trivial- a very, very useful instinct to have when confronted with a s**t test. Of the men I've known who've been very successful with women, one of the most successful was a short, skinny, glasses-wearing college debater with a slightly nasal, high-pitched voice, and no apparent athletic aptitude or "bad boy" charm. No matter how much women would try to dismiss him, though- first gently, then firmly, then harshly- he never gave up, never lost his composure, and never conceded an inch. He looked and sounded like a beta weenie at first, but he was stone alpha in the clutch.

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  8. Re: "You want to get married, right? When you do, your wife, unless she's insane, is never going to allow you to have other women as casual friends. One way or another, that friendship is going to end- you might as well end it by trying to turn her into your wife".

    Boy is this true! I can attest to it myself. I would also add that if my wife had a close male friend--married or single--it would really bother me. Now I reject all protestations that it is due to insecurity, etc. Rather, I assert that it is in the genes and has about 150,000 of Cro Magnon history behind it.

    Re: "No matter how much women would try to dismiss him, though- first gently, then firmly, then harshly- he never gave up, never lost his composure, and never conceded an inch. He looked and sounded like a beta weenie at first, but he was stone alpha in the clutch."

    That stone alpha is an expert salesman. If he went into car sales, real estate, stock broker, etc., he would clean up financially. We had a guy in our office who was tall, skinny, gangly, not well dressed, and very intelligent, but in a quiet unassuming manner. He had to beat the ladies off with a stick. None of us could figure out how he did it!

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  9. Anonymous2:29 am

    "Hypergamy facilitator" Nice words! :D Although my views are different from the ones you've mentioned here, I do like your blog! :D Keep posting! :D
    Levonelle

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