Saturday, May 18, 2013

The generations

Stuart Koehl writes:
Compared to the Baby Boomers, the Millennials are models of sobriety, industriousness and chastity. There's a tendency on the part of 20- and 30-somethings today to look on the Boomers as a bunch of old fuddles (and that's what we're becoming), but, when we were your age, we did everything that your generation is doing, raised to another order of magnitude. The only difference is the Boomers had the luxury of an expanding economy to soften the impact of their dysfunctional behavior. Today, Boomers still have no profound faith, still despise tradition ("Question authority!"--even after they BECAME authority), have a sense of entitlement that puts yours in the shade (just think about touching "their" Medicare or Social Security!), and they just about invented existential ennui. As for porn--the Boomers mainstreamed it, remember?
Right: the Boomers were partying on the golden era’s dime.

I work with Millennials who are very nice.

Reminds me: I think Sailer observed that SWPLs (rich liberals) preach libertinism and perversion but live more like ’50s normal, more likely to be married and faithful, with kids.

There’s the fallout from American values/the American worldview going to hell (after about 1968), which hurts the proles more than the rich, that getting married is rarer among the poor now; it’s becoming a status symbol for the rich. (Betas and herbs blowing beaucoup bucks in a sort of mating display; alphas don’t have to.)

15 comments:

  1. As a millennial, I hate it when boomers go on about the Kids These Days. Sure, we have a problem with self-indulgence, entitlement, and maybe not playing by the rules. However, that's just what America is and it's a little unfair for the most narcissistic and self-indulgent generation to complain about us living their perverse tradition.

    By the way, can you provide a link to Stuart Koehl's comments?

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    1. Sorry, no link: Facebook comment.

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  2. I'm a Gen Xer who loves the Millennials with whom I work. The gals are more comfortable with being feminine that were those of my generation. Their existence is a sign of hope.

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  3. When I go out in my suit and fedora, I get compliments from millenials, but get the oddest looks from baby boomers. One asked "Don't you think that hat is fifty years too late?" The millenials say "That's classy!" I also get compliments from the WWII generation.

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  4. I feel sorry for the Gen Y'ers (Millennials?) if my son's (born in 1987) experiences meeting women in his age group is valid statistically. They are mostly sluts! "Lie down. I think I lust you" seems to be their modus operandi. I am not saying the Baby Boomers--men and women--are/were exactly saints sexually. Perhaps the Millennials learned this from their grandparents????

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    1. They are mostly sluts!

      I have no idea and of course don't pry.

      I am not saying the Baby Boomers--men and women--are/were exactly saints sexually. Perhaps the Millennials learned this from their grandparents????

      That could well be.

      But based on what I know including experience like Robert's, I agree with Iosue (Joshua). I love the ones I work with. Two examples: a probably upper-class girl who sounds exactly like a movie or TV actress 50 years ago; elegant, with no Valley Girl accent or vocal fry. A lady. Another young lady but a lady nonetheless, whom I mentioned in the blog before: pretty, and stylish in an edgy modern way, who nonetheless says she wants her man to be a man who can take care of her, not an oversensitive crier (she's had that and found it wanting), plus '(I believe in fairness for women of course but) women who go around saying they're feminists are a little messed up'.

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    2. "I have no idea and of course don't pry."

      Not involving my son personally in any way. It's just that there are so many of them out there. Hemingway didn't know what he was talking about when he referred to the "Lost Generation." They are right here and now! They are almost naive sluts--no or little moral upbringing (thanks Mom & Dad!) and almost don't know any better. It is almost unbelievable for me even to get my mind around this. Our society seems to be almost totally secularized (as in secularist, not secular) and truly ignorant even though these young folks can read & write and have high school diplomas and undergraduate degrees.

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    3. Also, I may sound like everybody or every woman of my son's age is like this. I know this is not true. E.g., my son's friend is engaged to his high school sweetheart. Both were my son's fellow students at the local Catholic high school [filled BTW with lots of secularist young folks and their secularist parents! :-( ]. This young lady brought her fiance into the Church! He was baptized during the Easter eve service of 2012 and is an active participant with his fiance in a local Catholic youth group. It nonetheless to this troglodyte seems as if this is an exception rather than a common experience even among nominally Christian and nominally Catholic young folks. But what the hey! I am a pessimist!

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    4. My impression, not having been in Europe for 20 years, is that ex-Protestant America, with its evangelical minority, is still more religious than Europe. Blue-state America: 'spiritual, not religious'. Europe: anti-religious. Maybe because religious idealism was part of America's founding. Although the Pilgrims weren't as big in America's founding as our national myth says.

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    5. Well my or anybody else's impression does not customarily result from statistically valid conclusions based upon the appropriate random sample size of a population--i.e., the millennials. I'm not sure this issue is amenable to rigorous scientific/statistical analysis, hence the resort to subjective impressions of individual instances here and there. I suspect that the Millennials are neither better nor worse than any other generation. Fallen human nature seems to me to be the dominant influence behind generational behavior.

      Re: our national myth, add the Protestant Work Ethic to which I subscribe. I'm a quasi crypto-Calvinist wannabe--St. Augustine on steroids! LOL

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    6. Of course fallen nature's the dominant influence in every generation. It's a logical deduction that the collapse of Christian morals after ’68 means Millennials are worse than your generation. Honestly, I don't know them well enough to say; again I don't pry. But, as Stuart alludes to, maybe for practical reasons, avoiding the suffering that sexual anarchy causes, they've found their way back to some common sense.

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    7. I, too, have two in mind. Both are local and rural, "stylish in an edgy modern way," and both absolute charmers. [One has occasional vocal fry, mistaught to her by a high school teacher who thought her voice too feminine, and thus somehow weak.] Whatever feminist claptrap they might spout, probe a bit further and you'll hear what you might hear on Chateau Heartiste; they're at least honest about their hypergamy, which in this blogger's opinion is no sin, just the natural state of affairs. The younger of the two is married, hypogamously I fear, for her and her husband. The elder is unfathomably still single, already an old maid by Korean standards, but still quite a catch if I might say so myself. Contra Roissy, I fear there may be a dearth of young men able to step up to the plate.

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  5. I am not all that sure Millennials are worse than my generation. They are perhaps the national consequence of Baby Boomer sexual behavior (and other behavior).

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