Monday, July 29, 2013

NSA foreign shenanigans, the mainstream GOP still stinks, and so might Mark Zuckerberg and Pope Francis

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  1. I'm hoping that the Franciscan crackdown involves some internal mess that we outsiders know nothing of, something very specific to that situation -- maybe a feud between the trads and the not-so-trads, which was getting out of hand? I'd be really surprised if such a proscription were ever to be applied across the board.

    And I wouldn't take my cue from anyone at Dreher's blog, but you already knew that. ;) Dreher allows comments to remain only if you agree with him, and only those people with the most jaundiced view of Catholicism agree with him...ergo, that's all that he'll allow.

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    1. Must you police Mr. Dreher on other blogs and unfairly at that? On many threads, he has more contrary comments than those that agree with him. He is tolerant of dissenting views, and the threads on his blog are often lively. Perhaps it's because some folks can't but help suck the air out of the room with their comments that the ban hammer comes out.

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    2. Lol...a Dreher acolyte. Sorry...I don't visit his blog because it is frankly unreadable. So no, your shoe doesn't fit. Nice try, though.

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  2. Yes, I would probe a little deeper here. There may be a specific problem that demanded an action like this. If he the Holy Father were really rolling back the Motu Proprio, it would contradict his earlier statement about how the "messa antica non si tocca": http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2013/05/pope-francis-rejects-attack-on-old-rite.html

    So I would give the Holy Father the benefit of the doubt here, until we get more information.

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    1. Precisely my feeling. Thanks.

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  3. By the way, I have no idea why Google thinks I have two identical last names. They must be getting me confused with my Sicilian grandmother, whose married name was the same as her maiden name. (No, I don't know what the story there was, and I'm not sure I want to know. My critics would probably say it explains a lot, though. LOL.)

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  4. Diane is right. There are internal problems in the FFI. From what I have heard, the problem is not with the traditional liturgy itself but how some elements within the order are using it. It seems there are matters of authority and obedience that need to be worked out.

    Thanks for keeping this blog so informative!

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    1. On my Facebook wall, combox regular Adeodatus49 said he thinks our Mass and Novus are incompatible. While I obviously don't go that far (it's theologically impossible and obviously not so after Pope Benedict's reform of English Novus, his greatest accomplishment), that got me thinking: as the church in its old First World base changes, as the dominant liberals die or quit, and it shrinks and becomes more trad, you will likely see battles such as in the FFI as the church liberals and even Novus conservatives go on the defensive. Not the extinction of trads that churchmen 20-40 years ago thought/hoped would happen.

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    2. Perhaps I should clarify my "incompatible" comment. I wasn't talking about the theology of the mass and the Holy Eucharist. Both are the representation of the One Sacrifice of the Cross at Calvary on the altars until the end of time.

      I was referring to the collective mindset among the aficionados of the respective "Uses" of the Roman Rite's Divine Liturgy. I don't think the two Uses can stand side-by-side with any sort of organizational or "political" equality in the long run. One must dominate the other. Currently, we all know that the Novus Ordo Missae is the dominant mass of the Roman Rite. If we were to see, for example, larger and larger numbers of Catholics adopting the TLM and the sacramental Ordos and liturgical/religious culture that goes along with the old mass, then I would expect to see lots of "political" intra-Church conflict, much more so than we are seeing today. I forsee that in the long run, just as with the movie, The Hghlander, there can be only one! LOL [Perhaps we will have dueling thuribles, the Christian mace, in lieu of dueling swords! *smile* ]

      Re: the FFI, about 10+ years ago in a AU RC parish in Texas, a TLM was offered regularly under the Indult per Ecclesia Dei. Unfortunately, there were a number of troublemakers at that mass. I have no specifics re: their misbehavior, but the result was the Indult TLM ended at that parish. I must conclude sadly that the pastor made a wise decision in this regard. So, who knows what really happened with those allegedly troublesome Franciscans? Perhaps we will find out some day soon. Inquiring minds (PC term for "busybodies") want to know!

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