The Prayer Book is great English but I don’t miss it as such because I know where it came from; those are Protestant services.
The church is much more than the Pope, who’s only a caretaker, but the world would be better if Benedict hadn’t quit.
All the wrong people like the new Pope for all the wrong reasons (Time’s Person of the Year). The limits of the papal office mean he can’t actually change the church but he could do a lot of damage like Vatican II did. That churchmen don’t get the market, and with the best intentions, isn’t new. It seems that among traditionalists, the learned are good third-wayers. I’m listening — I think I get it about greed and the Americanist heresy — but, despite crony capitalism which is not really capitalism, the market is still the best way. (Juan Perón meant well too but drove Argentina into the ground. Even a holy welfare state that was pro-life wouldn’t work.) My old line for third-wayers: make a great product that most people want to buy, and actually get it to the buyers, and we’ll talk.
Jim Coffey writes:
There is a difference between capitalism and oligarchy/monopoly. The big banking system in this country is anything but capitalistic. And the system of subsidies is not capitalistic but socialistic.I think the man in the pew would be fine with our Mass, the old one, if it were in English. Fine with me.
Instead of the damage of Vatican II, John XXIII should have just issued two pronouncements allowing more of the vernacular and affirming that the church can live with American freedom of religion (then the church in America was doing so, successfully), then English-speaking Catholics should have just adopted the translations of Tridentine services that Anglo-Catholics had already done.
(The real John XXIII: teach Latin better and don’t ordain homosexuals.)
The “Duck Dynasty” fight was probably a publicity stunt.
- From the Anti-Gnostic: The Catholic Church seems most virile where she acts more like the Church Local: Hungary, France, Croatia, Poland. (France? I understand that except for the SSPX, the church in France is dead.) Rome seems unable to come to terms with a post-Imperial, multi-polar world, so they're jumping on the universal democracy bandwagon, anticipating a seat at the table of the global democratic empire. (Why American bishops don’t excommunicate pro-abortion Catholic politicians, people who actually do harm.) They'll get completely cozy with this about the time whole countries start rejecting democracy and the UN becomes an utterly irrelevant joke.
- Somebody in the Church of England has proposed making vestments optional. I think the Puritans wanted to ban them. The requirement long was, and the only vestments officially allowed were, cassock, surplice, and scarf (rochet and chimere for bishops), which are the Catholic choir habit, not really vestments. Anyway, just as well if they do. Chances are this is coming from their Evangelicals, their last conservatives, and as I mentioned it’s part of their heritage, plus now, influenced by American evangelicals, they don’t wear them anymore and the rule’s not enforced. Liberals used to be low-church too, thinking ritual was papist mumbo-jumbo, but have been high-church for a few decades, due in part to hippie shamanism and ecumenism, which was fashionable about 40 years ago. It was cool to look Catholic because they thought the church was liberalizing, becoming like them, so they thought union would happen. They'd keep wearing the vestments. Macht nichts. Most English people still wouldn’t go to church.
- Being Catholic there of course is different from here. Even with the many Irish coming over from next door, Catholics are far fewer in numbers and proportionally. You could find Catholic high church if you were looking for it (for example, the Brompton Oratory, doing Pope Benedict’s high church before he was Pope). I understand most practicing Catholics there now are Polish immigrants. Sort of like practicing American Catholics seem to be either brother trads or charismatics from the 1970s and ’80s.