Monday, December 29, 2014

St. Thomas Becket plus displaced Anglo-Catholics

He is also known as St. Thomas of Canterbury. There were no Anglicans then (by the way, the name originally was just a way of saying "English" in Latin, anglicanus; back then the English were Catholic of course) but this was about the principle of God first and the king second. Not what the modern world wants to hear.

Anyway, from Facebook, on displaced Anglo-Catholics:
Had several former parishioners return as visitors for Christmas Masses at St. A's, having moved out of state a few years back. Each family, having attended numerous Episcopal parishes for miles around their new home in states far away, reported that they could not find a parish with a) 1928 BCP service or Rite I 1979 or b) a male priest or c) anything resembling traditional Christian theology (no less Anglo-Catholic). One reported finding a 1928 BCP place, but the parish had fewer than 12 members, all over 70 and not too welcoming/attractive to their family with young children. All of them reported being so frustrated in their search for a parish that they had become Roman Catholic or Orthodox. It is a sad statement about "the franchise" of being Episcopalian, that traditionalists in one place who move away, will rarely be able to find a place to continue in the Faith as this Church has received it.

And many of the Roman parishes are also pretty awful. Those who became Roman had to visit a dozen to find a priest who said a reverent Mass, where the hymns weren't insipid, and where the priest could preach a theologically reasonable sermon in a compelling manner. They had more parishes to choose from nearby.
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Father, you have to recognize you are doing an excellent job of providing an oasis on a sinking ship, down at the bow, and taking on water fast.

I don't have issues with TEC... Those were left in the rear-view mirror... That being said, I would not recommend trying to start throwing stones, given the glass nature of the house you apparently choose to live in.
Things are bad all over. But on one hand, you used to be able to find Episcopal parishes that were still conservative thanks to that denomination's semi-congregationalism, which is how St. John's, Detroit and St. Paul's-by-the-Lake, Chicago keep going. If I recall rightly, the diocese also leaves St. Paul's in peace because its parishioners are African. Vatican II laid waste to most of our American parishes but a counter-movement's been a-brewing for 25 years, as one saw under Pope Benedict XVI. Catholic liberals are slowly dying out. I've joined a parish that has the Tridentine Mass ("1928" in our culture) as its main service, sings Hymnal 1940 classics in full, and has coffee hour monthly. Thanks to Pope Benedict's reforms, I can hear Catholic teaching from the text at any Mass in the U.S. So it really comes down to teachings. I think we can agree: forget "the National Church" ("815") or even the Episcopal diocese. You can come up with a classical Anglican consensus with Rome and the East, more or less Catholicism. But on whose authority?

I believe that the line "the Faith as this Church has received it" is indefensible, but of course convert because you accept the teachings of the church in full and not just for convenience.

Also, to be fair, I've seen a Continuing priest and congregation who weren't ex-Episcopalians. I was impressed.

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  1. Wait a minute. Here you say things are bad all over, but earlier this month you gently chastized me for saying there was a fire. Which is it?

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