Thursday, March 12, 2015

Back and forth about Catholic integralism, and more


  • The Del Satins, "Feelin' No Pain," 1963. Co-written and produced by Dion.
  • Good friend Diane Kamer: We want it all. I'm a shade more liturgically traditional but yes; the beauty of Catholicism which sells me on it is it doesn't force you to hate the East to love the West, for example. My first traditional Catholic liturgy in person, three decades ago, was at a Ukrainian church in New Jersey with the same accented World War II refugee priest since 1951. I have icons on a small wall and wear a three-bar cross (hooray for grassroots traditionalism that had the sense not to modernize church services), but partly because of being called a graceless heretic by the schismatics and "you Westerners wouldn't understand" ("Orthodox in communion with Rome": let's dump our doctrine and join the true church, being received in our orders), home is the Tridentine Mass (the Divine Liturgy without an iconostasis). I like Leonid Ouspensky on icons: halfway between a picture and a sacramental presence.
  • From Roissy's other blog: A woman first sergeant gets an ARCOM for trolling. She’s the First Sergeant of crying like a widdle baby to the thoughtcrime police.
  • Back and forth on Catholic integralism. Compromising churchmen including Popes are nothing new.
    I was surprised in the Shadle article to see Pius XI, the pope who abandoned the Mexican Cristeros, condemned Action Française (a blow from which French royalism has really never recovered), and bent over backwards to appease the new Spanish Republic, identified as a champion of "integralism." Seems to me that "integralists," if one means Catholics who are not only doctrinally orthodox but thoroughly opposed to liberalism in all areas, have not had an unambiguous papal champion since St. Pius X.

    I read recently that the Catholic scouting association in Italy, ASCI, which was founded by Count Mario di Carpegna (a member of St. Pius X's noble guard), was suppressed by Pius XI between 1927 and 1928 in exchange for the survival of Catholic Action under the Fascist regime.

    And yes, Pius XI did condemn Action Française, an act which lead to the resignation of Cardinal Billot from the sacred College.

    In fact, Pius X had made a decision reluctantly to condemn Action Française, but delayed doing so. He died before the official condemnation ever took place. There is a brief discussion of this in Marvin O'Connell's
    Critics On Trial, which is a history of the Catholic modernist crisis.

    Catholic integralism, like distributism, are interesting ideas, but they simply cannot be applied in the real world that we actually live in. They are like Catholic "Dungeons & Dragons," or a religious SCA of the mind. Another reason why I am a Vatican II person.
    Funny thing is, technically I'm a Vatican II person like conservative Novus Ordo (arguably once our worse enemies than the liberals, who didn't take us seriously once they'd hijacked the parishes and schools), even though in the popular sense I live as though the council doesn't exist (the only difference is I jump parish boundaries to register and go to Mass; Pope Benedict's reform has turned back the clock to 1965 for the content of the new Mass in English, thank God). My differences with the SSPX are to do with its "platform," its main real reasons to exist, which aren't the liturgy or Latin as commonly assumed by the few people who've heard of them. American religious liberty created a great home for Catholics as recently as 50 years ago, and ecumenism rightly understood is a chance to teach the faith including through charity to our neighbors. The letter of the council. That said, I don't hate the society and always acknowledge the good they do (Fellay for cardinal, Lefebvre for saint); the real pre-conciliar church is a collection of different schools of thought and spiritualities that don't always get along, from Francisco Franco to Dorothy Day.

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