Friday, February 10, 2017

A big non-story: The Catholic Church and the attempted ordination of women


Not clickbait: "Pope polite to ecumenical guest."

Lifesite reports: The Catholic Church is not the Pope's personal fan club. I'm no fan of Francis but let's be fair. This headline is clickbait. Francis has a quality of unpredictability; nobody owns him, a quality of great men. Apparently he personally has no time for the attempted ordination of women and indeed, as his job requires (that's right; the Pope by definition has limits), he has repeated that it's impossible.

Of course you can list arguments for discussion as a teaching tool. Fr. Hunwicke says as a teacher he would be a sort of actor, impersonating someone with certain views, like what good debaters do, presenting the other side's position fairly, in terms the other side agrees with, before taking it apart. Mid-term he would "switch sides" and present the opposing view!

Fr. Bourgeois wasn't warned for having an academic discussion; to imply that is to buy into Black Legend nonsense about the church. He served at liturgies with ex-Catholic women ordained by independent churches claiming to be Catholic. An act of schism and simulating a sacrament: take your pick for the reasons for excommunication.

The church doesn't excommunicate as a knee-jerk reaction to questionable views. Fr. Pani should be warned and if he persists, thrown out.

The archbishop of the former state church of one of the world's most irreligious countries is now a woman. Have the congregations returned?

4 comments:

  1. And I suppose you don't think he's positioning likely Deaconesses for the future (likely after he is gone) per his progressive base, per their mosy ardent public longings, eh?

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    1. Of course we don't need deaconesses; active women religious (doing good works in the world, not cloistered) are our deaconesses. In some Protestant churches, Lutheran and Anglican, deaconesses were a 19th-century revival, essentially a copy of those sisters, habit and all.

      If you mean lady deacons (not the same thing), he might. I believe the church is indefectible so no problem. It can't happen.

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    1. A Jesuit journal, 'eh? It figures.

    2. Fr. Pani is a not so crypto Modernist. Modernism as a heresy has many manifestations or versions, but it involves gutting dogma/doctrine and even the sacraments of their substance, leaving only a shell to serve as a cultural identification of some sort . . . an icon without the spiritual meaning and significance that icons have for the Eastern Church. I also suspect that Fr. Pani's behavior is beyond warning . . . severe discipline should be exercised on him, but it won't.

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    1. 1. I thought of that too. It seems that even before Vatican II the order had a reputed Jekyll-and-Hyde personality. Here in Philadelphia I've had the pleasure of meeting and even serving with pious old-school members such as the recently departed Fr. Patrick Brannan, who was one of my parish's living links to before the council as one of our supply priests; he taught Latin at our seminary. The side of the order that was zealous for the church like its founder. Then there are the jokes that the Jesuits are so over-intellectualized that they've lost their faith; Vatican II and its effects accelerated that but at the same time, as in the larger church, decimated the order. They can't do that much harm since there aren't that many of them anymore. The new conservative orders, which apparently the current Pope doesn't like ("Rigidity!" Self-righteousness! Greed!), are picking up the slack.

      2. Yes and I'm afraid you're probably right that he'll get away with it. His bishop and his religious order should start heresy proceedings.

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