Wednesday, February 28, 2007

Terry Mattingly on bad media coverage of the Roman Mass and on different churchmanships among RCs
In their own way they’re as fragmented as Anglicans. From Huw Raphael.

In his books and articles Thomas Day has explained why many RCs in more than one faction are not high-church: Irish hatred of things seen as English with Modernism thrown in.

The bad reporting includes a condescending article from The Baltimore Sun. Adam from Anglo-Catholic Ruminations writes:
The Sun article ... contains numerous misconceptions/errors, such as that the Tridentine Rite was "established in the 16th century" and that the Novus Ordo ... Mass ... is a "translation." Example # 320,910,028 that the press/media don't understand religion.
Traditionalism is not about Latin.

I agree with the ‘they want an identity’ argument as far as it goes but more important the old rites (including the Roman) are Godward/reverent with better content (read the texts and learn the faith). Internalise their teachings, throw in some tolerant conservatism to practise them and Bob’s your uncle.

From Andy at All Too Common via Randall Foster:

The Roman Mass,
Benedictine Abbey of
Le Barroux, France
You scored as Traditional Catholic. You look at the great piety and holiness of the Church before the Second Vatican Council and the decay of belief and practice since then, and see that much of the decline is due to failed reforms based on the "Spirit of the Council". You regret the loss of vast numbers of religious and clergy and the widely diverging celebrations of the Mass of Pope Paul VI, which often don't even seem to be Catholic anymore. You are helping to rebuild this past culture in one of the many new Traditional Latin Mass communities or attend Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy. You seek refuge from the world of pornography, recreational drugs, violence, and materialism. You are an articulate, confident, committed, and intelligent Catholic. But do you support legitimate reform of the Church, and are you willing to submit to the directives of the Second Vatican Council? Will you cooperate responsibly with others who are not part of the Traditional community?

Rome of the West

Traditional Catholic


Neo-Conservative Catholic


New Catholic


Radical Catholic


Evangelical Catholic


Lukewarm Catholic


Liberal Catholic


What is your style of American Catholicism?
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The quiz is biased — celibacy and the sex of the apostolic ministry don’t belong in the same question; they’re not equivalent — but entertaining. A traditional Catholic peace witness probably doesn’t register in ‘the mind of the quiz’ (as Beth describes these biases) and I imagine my pro-market answers, not at all neoconservative in themselves, explain the awfully high percentage I got for that label.

Like Andy, according to the evangelical quiz I am where many Anglo-Catholics today end up by default not by choice.

You scored as High Church Nomad. You were raised as some kind of evangelical, but you've started to appreciate other forms of Christian piety. Specifically, you're starting to think that Roman Catholics aren't as crazy as you once thought they were. You probably won't end up going home to Rome, but Canterbury has piqued your interest.

High Church Nomad


Moderate Evangelical




Presby - Old School


Conservative Evangelical


Reformed Baptist


Evangelical Presbyterian


Fightin' Fundy


What kind of evangelical are you?
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Based on other people’s results I’ve seen blogged anybody outside of fundygelicalism is labelled a High Church Nomad but I like the name anyway. :) If I live to be 50 I may trade in ‘The young fogey’ for that one.

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