Sunday, November 23, 2008

Ecclesiastical bibs and bobs
  • First a couple of pro-RC ones. Fr Longenecker on the end of the Anglo-Catholic movement. RC national parishes are its only future in England.
  • Jeffrey Steenson on ‘why Rome’ (PDF file). Used to know him. I never believed nor was taught that the branch theory is Catholicism is the sum of all Christian churches.
  • Derek: I don’t see biblical interpretation as an end in itself. Rather it’s a means for forming Christians according to the mind of Christ—forming holy habits — as communicated by preaching and enacted in liturgy and ascetical theology. Another angle from which to approach it might be this: approaches to preaching, liturgy, and ascetical theology that aren’t firmly grounded in the Scriptures will range from the anemic to the futile. Yes but there’s not a way but the way to do that so one isn’t carried about with every wind of doctrine (including hot air), our holy mother the church with the charism of infallibility, something Protestants don’t accept, which is what makes them Protestants.
  • Giving one faith in converts to Orthodoxy. Met some last night who are not crazy anti-Westerners; one had his copy of The People’s Anglican Missal.
  • ‘In name only’ in which both Arturo and his target have points.
    In Latin America, you either think the Church is the salvation of civilization, or you think that priests are a bunch of effeminate sociopaths out to take your money and pit your woman against you. There are lots of men in Latin America who love the Church and hate the clergy. And if we are going to talk about morality, well, I suppose I am fresh out of stones.

    Maybe I just come from an environment where everybody was Catholic, even the Protestants.

    Part of the problem with modern-day
    [Roman] Catholicism is that it forces people to love an institution, which is incredibly hard to do. Since the local parish has become less and less important to the life of the average [Roman] Catholic today, we often have to resort to extolling the joys of the institutional Church.

    I wonder if it might be true that in an old Catholic culture, where everyone is Catholic, most Catholics will be Bad Catholics.

    I’ve been thinking about the “bad Catholics” of yesteryear myself for awhile. I think the difference is that, although people like Frank Sinatra, Spencer Tracy, and the like flagrantly went against Church teachings (particularly on sexual morality), they never suggested that the Church should change her teachings, or thought that they were “good Catholics” in spite of their own personal transgressions. I think this may be one of the biggest differences between the pre-Vatican II and post-Vatican II Church, at least in terms of how ordinary Americans think and act.

    I think I know what the people at the
    Creative Minority Report were getting at, but I think that the fact that people have to comment at all about this speaks volumes.

    Thomas Jefferson, reflecting on his time in France, noted that when Catholics lose their faith, they become atheists, but when Protestants lose their faith they merely change denominations.

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