Friday, June 21, 2013

Friday

Nothing very political right now. That the government is abusive isn’t news. Surprised that it and the Israelis are spying on us, and that it’s using big business (Verizon, Facebook, etc.) to do it? Me neither. Edward Snowden could well be a hero.
  • Sailer on Turkey.
  • Catholicism and Orthodoxy, in which I go virtual mano a mano with the OicwRs’ doyen starting here. But it’s mostly about ‘po-našomu’ Rusyn Greek Catholics’ religious identity and how history (immigrant schisms in America and Communist rule in the old country) has changed it. More.

7 comments:

  1. Re: doyens of whatever stripe

    I would stay away from Pedants, John. Nothing to learn from them; and they are also unteachable . . . stiff necked (not that the rest of us are doing so well either, heh? LOL )

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  2. I became infatuated with the Eastern Rite and even helped my friend become Melkite. He, however, saw the OicwR mindset that permeates that particular church and one day said, "I accept the teachings of the Orthodox, and deny many important Catholic doctrines. If I'm being honest, I should be Orthodox." He scandalized quite a few but, hey, at least he was being honest.

    Truth be told, OicwR type folks get under my skin. They're the equivalent of the Latin-rite liberals who wish we were a Unitarian church. After a while I feel like screaming at them, "Shit, or get off the pot." Or, be with the Church or go with your conscience but quit pretending to be both.

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    1. Yeppers. And as I wrote: It's like a kind of gnosticism or freemasonry to believe that sophists who hang out at the same academic conferences have some esoteric knowledge of the truth, thinking they're smarter than either Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Like the Anglican branch theory, looking down on both churches.

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  3. But it's really just Protestant private judgement in Orthodox drag; your own arrogance.

    Gotta agree with this. 100%.

    BTW...you say we should not encourage individual conversions from Orthodoxy to Catholicism. What about the ex-Prot konvertsy, though? I think some of them may be charitably and winsomely encouraged to consider coming "all the way home." Many of them do not remain Orthodox for very long anyway. Of the Converts-to-Orthodoxy I used to know at a now-defunct forum, one is now megachurch-evangelical, one is now a Continuing Anglican, one is now an atheist (or maybe agnostic, depending on his mood), one was considering Lutheranism last time I checked...only a couple are still Orthodox.

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    1. Thanks. Good points. I'll say all never-Catholic Orthodox get the benefit of the doubt. They're not personally guilty of schism; they're estranged Catholics. Just like a born Orthodox, if an ex-Protestant comes to us, we encourage him to come in, otherwise we leave them alone.

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  4. BTW, who is this Father David (at the Byz Forum)? I liked his comments. He seems very cool.

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    1. I looked up Fr David Mastroberte on Google recently. I don't know his background, such as whether the Italian name means he's an ex-Catholic (not necessarily), but he has long painted icons and is now pastor of this church.

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