Thursday, June 20, 2013

Last year's news: vicar converts

This story looked familiar. It’s a year old. Money quote:
It is a return to a faith that has fixed values that are not going to change at the next meeting of the General Synod.
When I was ordained in the Church of England in 1976 there were some things that would never be challenged.
Should be obvious to Catholics that this was never true; the first quote always was. For a few reasons, it’s been harder for Anglican would-be Catholics to see. Brings back a lot of memories. I was born Episcopal, because my dad left the church, and I lived in England. Anglican semi-congregationalism meant that, in the dark days after the council, some Anglican parishes and vicars were more ‘Catholic’ than the local libcaths in the official church. I’m thankful they were there — I say the creed in English from the old Prayer Book — but this has no future. There’s only one church. Most such Anglicans are now Catholics. I don’t think there will be many more conversions. Today, high C of E and Episcopal are liberal Protestants who dress up. Liberal high church: they believe our creeds and in our sacraments, and unlike most libcaths, they love our stuff.

There have been some happy landings, including, surprisingly, ex-Episcopal parishes switching and the many individual conversions from St Clement’s, in their case not to the ordinariate but to the Extraordinary Form of course, but the ordinariates are under-successful for a couple of reasons:
  • Many of these parishes and parishioners were less Catholic than they looked. As Catholic as the vicar wanted to be, most of his flock were really regular C of E. They liked the building more than the religion he was trying to teach them. So, priest converts, congregation doesn’t.
  • Related, many/most such parishes were known to really be hangouts for male homosexuals who like liturgical theatre.
Meanwhile, in the church, a few more troops to finish what Benedict the Great started in the Roman Rite.


  1. honestly, i am very skeptical of the ordinariate in both theory and practice

    all of his could have been done earlier under Bl. John Paul II's pastoral provision or whatever it was called... ordinarite would of made perfect sense if the entire Anglican Church of Nigeria was going to join Catholicism but of course, sadly, that was never going to be the case

    it must of been a diplomatic mess in the chanceries figuring out what to do with the divorcees of these former episcopalians

    1. Of course it could have been done under Blessed John Paul the Overrated but he wasn't interested in Anglo-Catholicism; Benedict apparently was.

      The ordinarite would have made perfect sense if the entire Anglican Church of Nigeria was going to join Catholicism but of course, sadly, that was never going to be the case.

      I disagree because the 'Anglicanorum coeti' weren't particular churches in schism like the Orthodox metropolia of Kiev that became the Ukrainian Catholic Church. They were groups of Catholic-minded individuals trying to get out of a mainline Protestant denomination.

      Yes, sorting through divorces is happening.

      British ordinariate: ex-Forward in Faith UK Anglo-Papalists; Novus Ordo; married ex-Anglican priests who want to be Catholic priests, like the old Pastoral Provision.

      American ordinariate: American Anglo-Catholics (good quasi-pre-Vatican II ceremonially, Prayer Book text liturgically); people who have a jones for the Prayer Book and married ex-Anglican priests who want to be Catholic priests.


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