Monday, June 16, 2014

Seeing things as they really are, plus a new urbanism

  • From the Anti-Gnostic:
  • From Facebook: There is a fascination with agrarianism among Trad Catholics but almost none in urbanism. The historical experience of Catholicism in the United States has been that the Social Kingship of Christ is built most readily and most effectively in the cities, and not merely because they absorbed most of the Catholic immigrants. But this pattern was broken after the fallout from Vatican II and the "white flight" of ethnic Catholics into the suburbs. Now their hipster children and grandchildren are reversing this process. Gentrification could be counter-revolutionary if we dedicated ourselves to it. A reclamation of the old neighborhoods is in order; call it the New Reconquista.
  • From Cracked: If ads and TV commercials had to be honest.

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  1. Christianity was originally an urban religion. In the Greco-Roman world, it was the countryside that remained pagan after the cities Christianized. This is one reason why paganism survived longer in the West (which had relatively few major cities compared to the East).

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    1. I think that means the countryside often is more conservative. That sometimes has worked for the church. I've read that Swedish farmers resisted the "Reformation," at least keeping saints' days for good luck with their crops. America's heartland is more conservative and religious than Boston (which I understand is steeped in tradition and socially stratified/snobbish but not conservative, just like Britain), Philadelphia (Boston lite), etc. I always assumed American Catholicism became urban accidentally, because the cities took most of the immigrants. I can see the liberals using the history you cite against us, saying people like the tattooed mainline Pastrix (I agree with Dreher: she's got integrity so I respect her even though she's wrong), the people who used to have rave services, and homosexualist congregations with Communion without baptism have the true spirit of early Christianity while their culturally, socially, and religiously conservative opponents are like Caesar and the other pagans, and like the Jews in Jesus' time (Pharisees).

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  2. The historical experience of Catholicism in the United States has been that the Social Kingship of Christ is built most readily and most effectively in the cities, and not merely because they absorbed most of the Catholic immigrants.

    I thought that was the reason.

    But this pattern was broken after the fallout from Vatican II and the "white flight" of ethnic Catholics into the suburbs.

    Just to be clear: V2 and white flight aren't related; that was a coincidence. Both eroded Catholic community at around the same time. Arguably, suburban Novus Ordo isn't as strong as extended family and the old neighborhood were; a voluntary association with no strong social ties. And white flight may have been as much if not more to do with postwar prosperity, when America was the greatest country in the world, than with race. Moving out to the country, sort of, and owning your own home were part of the American dream.

    Now their hipster children and grandchildren are reversing this process. Gentrification could be counter-revolutionary if we dedicated ourselves to it. A reclamation of the old neighborhoods is in order; call it the New Reconquista.

    Definitely an opportunity, maybe more realistic than agrarianism.

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    1. Aethelfrith7:22 pm

      One impetus for fleeing the city is that when the SHTF, the cities will be the hardest hit. Highly independent rural types can depend on the land and their wits to provide daily needs and protection.

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