Thursday, November 06, 2014

"I Wanna Dance to Your Music," and more

  • "I Wanna Dance to Your Music." Judith Durham, the sweetheart of the Seekers ("Georgy Girl" — gentle hootenanny stuff from the good ’60s), isn't famous for the music she lives for, which is this. Retro, written by her.
  • A warning about the Republicans you just helped elect. Not voting at all is a noble option, but I reject it not because it's wrong, but because the established order can interpret silence as consent, and I most certainly don't consent.
  • Bottom Dollar's going out of business. End of the year. They were so convenient, right in the neighborhood. Bargains and great for staples if you didn't mind the lines.
  • Liberal Orthodox: As if selling out on divorce & remarriage and contraception weren't enough of a sign that ethnicity and, in America, congregationalism aren't good enough as hedges against Modernism. That didn't work for conservative Episcopalians, but the Orthodox have real bishops and the Mass; are they off the hook? Here's a snippet about Byzantium at its best: For Americans, Orthodox Christianity, an import from the East that never dealt with the Reformation and the Enlightenment, is a lot like the medieval city of Siena: it was too poor to tear down all the beautiful medieval buildings during the Renaissance, which is why now it is much lovelier than cities like Florence, which destroyed a goodly portion of its heritage as it modernized. Like why my Wildwood is almost a town that time forgot; the tourists went elsewhere so the developers didn't get to it until recently (preservationists are saving the space-age motels). To a traditional Catholic, old ethnic American Orthodoxy's almost like home; it's still the '50s, almost. That was its appeal to me. (Few Catholics switch, though.) Same reason the Greek Catholic option is good. My first traditional Catholic liturgy 29 years ago was Ukrainian. That said, regarding the Orthodox Church in America:
    • Trojan horse: homosexualism. To be fair, this is one goofy priest's opinion, and as we recently saw at the Synod on the Family, we have had plenty of screwy bishops and priests since Vatican II. They can't change our doctrine.
    • Part II. To give Rod Dreher credit, I think he's trying to be fair in his coverage of his faith of the past few years.
    Will Msgr. Tikhon crack down? I've run across this weirdness once from an ethnic Greek Catholic online who resented conservative Catholic converts coming in, thinking his ethnicity gave his Modernism cred, and occasionally from ethnic Orthodox online. NEVER in person from Greek Catholics.


  1. One thing that I noticed from the comments on "Liberal Orthodox" on Dreher's site is that most Orthodox posting seem to think that Orthodoxy has no disagreements, well, because it seems that as Orthodox they may believe or practice anything they want to, from support of gay marriage to abortion (they really simply sound like Byzantine rite Episcopalians), but what is forbidden is bringing anything that can be construed as "politics" into coffee-hour discussions. No wonder that Greek-American politicians with 100% ratings from Planned Parenthood are given religious awards from their church!

    Of course Dreher, in his inability to be honest about his new-found Byzantine religion is not at all honest; obviously, much like their pedophile scandals, he is quite willing to forget their real ethnic fights. As an example, in the local Serbian parish where I live, the parish council removed membership rights from all non-Serbs who were parish members, stating that while they still had to pay parish dues, they could not vote or serve on the parish council since the church was a "monument to the Serbian race"; all of the non-Serbs left (several joined the local Greek Catholic parish, in the same neighborhood, which does not place racial demands on her members), and the liturgy, which had been overwhelmingly celebrated in English switched to modern Serbian (not Church Slavonic); odd how Dreher seems unaware of such things.

    1. Regarding the unspoken liberalism and the overt ethnocentrism, I believe it. I too found the churchgoers among the ethnics deafeningly indifferent to abortion; something you'd never see among PRACTICING Catholics.

      Dreher might not know about the intensity of the tribalism because as far as I know, he has never belonged to an ethnic parish, only convert or maybe mixed ones, very different from the normal American Orthodox experience. Maybe he's just turning a blind eye.

    2. Well, he has already gone from Protestant to Catholic, and one can imagine he was just as unbearable as a Catholic convert, to the OCA; but even the OCA was not up to his standards and now he is with the real odd-balls, the Russian Church outside of Russia (Even the name is odd). But the article you posted seems to be an attack against mostly the OCA, and seems about right for his religious projectile. He moves from one to the other, fanatically supportive of whatever he is attached to at the moment, until he moves and starts the attack mode against his previous affiliation.

      What's next? The Copts? They are even more folklorist and exotic than even Byzantium. Hinduism? It will be interesting.

    3. To be fair, he was Catholic for about 20 years; he's wrong but not a flake.

      The only reason he switched to ROCOR, according to him, is he didn't want to drive an insane distance to church every week; ROCOR has less strict requirements to start a mission church than the OCA. Interesting, though, that he joined, because most of ROCOR is more ethnic/foreign than the OCA (which, although ethnic, has been American for several generations); Dreher lives in a convert bubble now largely of his own making. Interesting observation that, now that he's left the OCA, it's fair game. You're probably right about that.

      He doesn't sound like the fanatics in ROCOR; he recognizes our sacraments, for example. He sounds like an Orthodox "ecumenist," who are not the relativists the Orthodox hardliners make them out to be: according to the ecumenists, we Catholics have grace, but we'd be really better off if we dumped our doctrine and then asked to be received economically into the one, holy, Byzantine, and apostolic church. Pretty much what the OCA believes when they bother to think about it (I think mostly they're just about ethnic parish life and don't want to bother anybody).

      ROCOR's name is odd, and especially since the '60s they've had an unpleasant fanatical anti-Catholic faction. It was long in charge, though I don't know if that's still true since their reunion with the Russian church. But many of their people I knew as a nominal member (yes, I really didn't belong there) were just exiles from right after World War II (and their American-born grown offspring) and post-Soviet immigrants who were homesick and wanted a place where they could speak their language, etc. Which is what ROCOR really was to begin with. Wrong about the church but not evil.

      What's next? The Copts? They are even more folklorist and exotic than even Byzantium. Hinduism? It will be interesting.

      True and I agree. But I think he'll eventually return to the church.

  2. Msgr. Tikhon has taken down the offending post, which was on an OCA site, and given a small-o orthodox response.


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