Friday, June 24, 2016

A bit about Brexit but mostly religion

  • I guess Brexit is good. The right people like it and hate it respectively. Hooray for Nigel Farage. As most now know, the British just had a non-binding referendum in which most say they want their country out of the EU, a first. Looks like the stock market (that is, the powers that be manipulating it?) will drop for a while to punish the world. This week was the feast of SS. Thomas More (the king's good servant but God's first, so no stealing the church locally) and John Fisher (the only English bishop to say no to Henry VIII) and someone has called the English schism and forced conversion to Protestantism, part of Britain's national myth including independence from Europe, the first Brexit. Clever. Good point to ponder. People often try to start schisms in the name of forming "national Catholic churches." But as Peter Anson wryly noted, even proud ethnic Catholic groups always prefer to remain in the international church. Catholics have healthy local pride; we have countries. But neither that nor property rights are absolutes in our social teaching. It seems to me the left's (including that granddaddy Freemasonry) internationalism/universality, based on values above blood and soil, is aping the church. How can we distinguish between the two? Leftism is Christianity's bastard and a temptation for many of us. For our ruling elite there are no more countries. Beseiged by hostile Mohammedan migrants, the Brits are starting to push back. Not surprising because... Britain is in a way an American protectorate (Airstrip One); same empire but with the capital moved west, definitely since World War II. So it's in a position to tell off the EU. Europe naturally would be a standoff between Russia and Germany; Russia's not our problem anymore, not Communist, and we should welcome them as a Christian ally (not that we should entirely trust them, but they're not threatening us). And as Catholics we should want these estranged traditional Catholics back.
  • David Mills from 1996: Latcons: the long and the short of latitudinarian conservatives. Churches that are just conservative enough to be successful in the religious "market," teaching just enough about Jesus and not just repackaged secular humanism, but not so conservative as to get secular reprisal/backlash. There's discretion and then there's compromise. Reminds me of the Laodiceans in the Book of Revelation and of Newman figuring out that the middle way such as Monophysitism anciently or 19th-century Anglicanism vis-à-vis Catholicism and Protestantism isn't necessarily the truth. This link came up in a conversation about "neo-Anglicans" in the "Realignment," such as ACNA, ex-Episcopalians basically simpatico with English and Third World Evangelical Anglicans. Like with the Lutherans, they try to be about Jesus, but they end up defending Episcopalianism circa 1980: half the Modernism (including women priests; hey, Articles XIX and XXI teach a fallible church so there you go) but none of the homosexualism or upper-middle-class snobbery. It also seems where the Reformed Episcopal Church now is: not classic Anglicanism's true-church claim (their branch theory rightly understood: the true church; we're Catholic too but in grave error; no bishops mean no church) but an evangelicalism that believes the historic church's structure and usages are nice but not essential.
  • Ex-Catholic Orthodox. Rare, thank God. Two unfriendly bloggers at odds with each other but both knowledgeable square off.
    • Lessons learned from Rocky One to Rocky Three. This fellow left the church and seems to have settled into a Modernism in which there is no true church, which of course is not what the Orthodox teach, but he describes well the (extremely rare) mistake of traditionalists trying to move to the most Rome-like of that loose communion, pretty much mine 20 years ago, which I took too long to undo. Regular readers know my lines: We include them sacramentally. They don't include us. If you can really believe that Byzantium is the center of the universe so all outside are apostate or a big unknown, then this schism is for you. If not, be Catholic!
    • Response with a good comments thread including the very knowledgeable former Russian Orthodox priest Dale. Likewise Bernard Brandt here happens to express my view. Mr. Sanchez confirms an impression I've had: A good number of ex-Catholic Orthodox I have met over the years either married into Orthodoxy or weren’t strong churchgoers prior to finding the Christian East. Functionally they were Protestants (many such seem to have learned about God in evangelicalism first) so their first consciousness about hierarchy, liturgy, sacraments, etc. came from Byzantium, just like born Orthodox. If you're acting in good faith, God understands.
  • Which reminds me: the bottom line about Slavic-American Orthodox' foundational myths, the Toth and Chornock schisms. What our churchmen were telling Greek Catholics to do in America was distasteful and unfair (most notably, banning married priests), but was it heretical? And don't give me the lines against the Pope that you copied from the Russians and the Greeks after you left. According to either side, were the new disciplinary rules for America heretical? Traditional churches change discipline all the time; witness economy in Byzantium.
  • Conservatism Inc. has no answer to Islamic terrorism except to invade the world. Don't invade; don't invite.
  • Trump gets it: We've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that, frankly, if they were there and if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems — our airports and all the other problems we have — we would have been a lot better off, I can tell you that right now. We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away — and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the 4 trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart! LRC has its limitations ("everything the government says and does is bad; question authority, man!") but like Catholic social teaching it teaches you to think outside the box of modern, media-fed political "thought," and it has said: why not take the terrorists such as Omar Mateen at their word and stop bombing their countries?
  • Lee Penn on what's wrong with Ayn Rand.


  1. Yes, Brexit is a very good thing. Very good indeed. It will herald the crumbling of the empire of Antichrist on the continent and a rise in old-fashioned patriotism, so long stifled and ignored by Blairites and their radical, left-wing cronies everywhere.

    As to the UK's special status with America, that may be true for you and other ordinary American people but for people like Mr Obama, Mrs Clinton and other establishment types, they probably view the UK as just another Serbia, an insignificant country in which they can throw their weight and destroy everything in sight.

  2. As a British person I find that pic offensive. Imagine if you had a pic of an African with. Chinese flag on his face. Show some sensitivity. The model applied in the USA does not apply in other countries. It is not based on anthropological realities.

  3. Ayn Rand is not as air tight as she thought she was.


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